Thursday, May 08, 2008

Another 18-year old dies at NS camp

Please, can we just stop this so-called National Service programme, now?
Read The Star's NS trainee dies after upset stomach, here.
Semanggol NS camp under quarantine here.

141 comments:

Anonymous said...

bru,

it should be aptly renamed as national disservice ...

singapore & taiwan also has the same program way b4 Malaysia but it seems all this problem is only peculiar to Malaysia where it has more people comparatively to Singapore and almost the same ratio to Taiwan ?!

Anonymous said...

doggone, if this keep happening, ns should reserve solely for mat rempit & their ring leader - mp mat REMpitBAU.

Anonymous said...

jus send the altantuya murderers to hell la...to hell with this camp. something must be very wrong for trainees to be dropping dead every year. are we ghana? are we somalia?

Anonymous said...

Hakikatnya Saudara, Ajal tak tunggu sesiapa. Bila TIBA Ajal kita tidak akan diawalkan sesaat pun dan tidak juga akan dilambatkan sesaat juga.

Kalau memang sudah ajalnya (Al Fatihah buat Arwah dan Takziah pada seisi keluarganya)di MANA arwah berada pun Malaikat Maut akan datang menjemput.

Inilah Hakikatnya dan kekuasaan Illahi jangan sampai ianya kita pertikaikan dan politikkan.
Dan inilah Iman. Memang tidak mudah menerima hakikat Qadak dan Qadar Illahi.

Janganlah kerana insiden begini Rancangan Kem ini ditutup pada beratus ribu remaja kita diseluruh Negara. Langkah ini perlu dilihat dari sudut kebaikan untuk semua remaja Malaysia. Memang tidak ada yang sempurna seratus peratus walau kem dimana pun di dunia ini.

thegodfather said...

It's about time we put a stop to this nonsense. Look you guys, you have already made enough out of this charade. Your coffers have been enriched enough. Leave the rakyat and their loved ones alone. Don't you have a conscience?? How many more youngsters must die before your greed is satisfied??

Anonymous said...

don't forget the Semanggol NS Camp that is currently under quarantine for some yet to be identified fever...

Hamzah said...

even if I have to go to jail, I will NOT allow my children to attend NS until ia DIBERSIHKAN!

Concern Malaysian said...

Read today's the star online posting on the ns camp being quarantine!
Surely they have a mechanism to inform parents about it? What a surprise to find out what happen only when your child did not return for the break!

Anonymous said...

NS is a Najib's baby. Without clear objective, the number of death toll is increasing. Aduhh...!

elle said...

Thursday May 8, 2008 MYT 9:38:23 PM

Semanggol NS camp under quarantine
By Raslan Baharom


TAIPING: The Kerian district health office has placed a national service camp in Semanggol, near here, under quarantine.

At least 10 of its 300 trainees have been warded at the Taiping Hospital over the past few days while 80 others are being treated at the camp for an outbreak of a yet-to-be identified fever.

With the quarantine, it is learnt that all the trainees, who were supposed to return home for their weeklong break from yesterday to May 14, have to remain in the camp pending the outcome of the result of their blood tests.

A parent of one of the trainees tipped reporters here about the quarantine after his son, who was supposed to be at a bus terminal yesterday morning to return home, failed to turn up.

When he went to the camp, named Kem PLKN Jiwa Murni Semanggol, Thursday, he was barred from entering and was told by a staff member that the camp was under quarantine.

State Health, Environment and Human Resources Committee chairman A. Sivanesan confirmed that the NS camp had been placed under quarantine for the past few days.

He said that based on feedback from health officials in Bagan Serai and state health director Datuk Dr Ahmad Radzin Ahmad Mahir, there was an outbreak of fever the past four days.

“I was told that 10 of the trainees have been warded and 80 others are receiving treatment for fever at the camp.

“The health department has assigned an investigation team and blood samples have been taken from the affected trainees and sent for verification.

“Dr Ahmad Radzin assured parents that there is no reason for them to be overly alarmed,” said Sivanesan, adding that he planned to visit the camp to get a clearer picture of the situation.

“If the situation permits, I may be going there tomorrow,” he said.

Anonymous said...

haris

i dont know what to say anymore. Can you just please initiate what we have been discussing in your blog.
another death and one camp is quarantine. usual shit press statement that investigation is underway. the bastard chairman wouldnt care. no, i wont apologise for the vulgarity coz he deserves every part of it.
more deaths and more investigations?

drMpower said...

I have always against this National Service camp and I believe there is a good proven method to improve our youth's racial integration

the only way is to put them together since their kiddie days, maybe aged 2,3 years old. the so-called Sekolah Wawasan is the only solution to these racial things.

but sadly some people felt they have to protect their 'specifications', thus choose to go against Sekolah Wawasan and its ideologies, without even looking properly what that is.

then come this National Service. What would u expect from a 3 months stint? Those boys/ girls are already blended with everything for the past 16-17 years and u expect them to wash those away in....3 months?

i would not call national service a joke because its najib's idea to improve our racial integration. at least he got an IDEA

but you guys, bashing everything on the floor these days, are not even giving anysort of idea. i will imagine the heat will be adding more to the existing ones particularly after RPK's arrest.

going back to the topic, someone should do something very fast.

Anonymous said...

Funny...

Everyday, do you know how many teenagers die in road accidents, drowning, bitten by poisonous snake, or by other natural causes?

And we don't simply accuse road, snake, river or anything that matters for the cause of their death.

Death can occur anywhere, even if they are not in national service, when the time come, it will happens.

Dan Leong said...

what the fish! Boycott NS service... This is fxxking useless program...

Anonymous said...

anon 11.39
what a great justification. may be we can compare to the deaths of young ones in poor countries and pooh pooh the relatively small number of deaths in NS. great, when your kids are on the line, tell me then.
many thanks anon and i sincerely hope you dont have to suffer like the bereaved families. sleep well anon.

Sinatra_Z said...

wtf?? Again!!

su-kj said...

Salam Brader,

1. When u start with a 'wrong mission'?

2. Then of course u will getting a 'wrong target'?

3. Because of 'wrong agenda'?

http://www.penyokong-kj.blogspot.com

MeLLiCiouS said...

Stuffs to nurture politician's rice pot.adei.so greedy lah.

Ahmad Nasri said...

Anonymous and others,

After reading your post on national service, I wanted to put my two cents in.

You said that death does not wait for anyone. However, what about death in a place where there are lots of sins happening. From what I have uncovered and discovered as I am one of those young enough to be in the NS generation, most of the free time is spent by being with boyfriends and girlfriends in the NS camp. This has not been leaked out yet as they may be some sort of cover up. Imagine your sons and daughters having intimate moments in a place where you thought it is safe? I may be old fashioned but this is Muslims we are talking about. Shouldn't the camp have some sort of regulations?

Another failure of the NS is that it has been structured to act like some sort of summer camp. I have heard from my Singaporean friends regarding this comment. We would not get trainees who could be expected to defend their countries as NS has been structured that way. It was implemented to make sure that National Unity will be preserved. How cunning is that? After the government failed in their education policies, they are merely shifting into another avenue where more cash is available.

I am currently studying in Australia, and it is really diverse in here. There are a lot of ethnics (not races), but the situation is stable and it is almost a fair go for every Australian National. There is no NS or any integration bullshits around. How have they done that? I wonder how.

Now another matter that has occurred. I wonder how Kelab Umno Luar Negara obtained their funds? It seems that their funds are aplenty. How does Umno obtain their funds? Please clarify this to me so that I would not feel cheated. Thanks

Berita dari gunung said...

Dear Rocky,

NS is within our jurisdiction, where as death is God's. Of course we can avoid death as much as we can, or delay it.

Life has a tag with birth and death stamped on it. I dont mean to be too pessimistic.

Anonymous said...

sdra rocky! apa semua ni nak dihebohkan? ada yang tersirat dari yang tersurat dengan berita ini dalam blog sdra? sudah bertahun2 program plkn ini dijalankan, berapa peratus peserta yang benar-benar mati kerana kecacatan program pkln? majoriti mereka meninggal kerana memang sudah mempunyai penyakit dalam diri. untuk kes terbaru kita lihat apa kata csi @ patologi. sdra tahu tidak, ramai rekrut tentera dan polis kita terbunuh semasa dalam latihan. ada yang lemas, ada yang jatuh, ada payung terjun tidak terbuka, ada pesawat pelatih pejuang terhempas, ada tertembak, ada terkena bom, dan macam2 lagi. mungkin mereka masuk tentera hendak mencari nafkah, tetapi mereka adalah pejuang negara. elokkah kita bubarkan pasukan tentera dan polis dan dedahkan negara kepada ancaman musuh? cuba lihat kepada 'bigger picture' dalam soal plkn ini. kalau hendak soalkan kematian, purata sedozen rakyat malaysia mati kemalangan setiap hari. kenapa tidak diharamkan semua kenderaan di jalan raya? janganlah sempitkan fikiran kita! janganlah lihat semua isu atau masalah yang timbul daripada kacamata politik sahaja!

PAHLAWAN CANGKUL

whackthembugger said...

I am a heavy smoker for the past 25 years. I remembered one day, an energetic friend of mine, much younger than me, came to see on me and we had a very nice chat. The next I heard, a few months later, he died while playing rugby. In another case, another junior of mine a feastful dinner with before he left for UK for his studies. A year later, I heard he died on the rail way tracks in London when he was pushed by accident. Every day we hear about deaths by accident especially those on motorcycles even when they wear helmets. We can go on and on giving examples.

I am most grateful that Allah has not taken my life away; I am alive because it is not timely for me to go yet.

The truth of the matter, Death waits for no one when the Angel of Death comes to take his/her soul away. Oh you believers, we recite the Al Fatihah to the deceased and we expressed condolences to the aggrieved family in their moments of trail and tribulations. Allah knows better.

Anonymous said...

i am an ex-trainee of the national service program and i will always treasure my experience . no doubt this is a result of barisan's innovation but it has many advantages , that come with certain drawbacks at the same time . but the main question to ask is whether the good outweights the bad . personally , national service is a great program for the youths . both physically and mentally . it is sad to see casualties and all kinds of problems arise from the program , but do remember that those trainees have the right to be exempted if they have any form of medical history . the consideration that the NS department gives towards exemption is pretty lenient i must say . all in all this program serves to be a good eye opener for those who have been chosen . it is unfair to judge just based on the negatives of this program . i am confident that if an ex-trainee like me is asked about the experienced gain from NS , it will always be priceless .

Anonymous said...

PAHLAWAN CANGKUL

apakata kalau anak engkau sendiri yang "terkorban" semasa di NS?

The Watcher said...

drmpower said:
i would not call national service a joke because its najib's idea to improve our racial integration. at least he got an IDEA


Racial integration? Coming from the guy who wanted to bathe his keris in minority blood?

Are you sure its not just Najib's idea to make money for cronies via kontrak?

My, my....I cannot fathom how some of you ppl can come in and minimize these deaths. One death is also one death too many!

They died because of reasons other than negligence? They were sick to begin with? Yeah, I'm sure you clowns still believe Anwar self-inflicted his black eye.

Pooorrraaaahhhh!

One biggest achievement of 50 years of BN and UMNO rule is that it has cultivated many otak udangs who are now wandering around.

Anonymous said...

What do you suggest Rocky since you are against all 'Racial Integration' type of establishment suggested by the govt?

Can you come up with one please.

Why dont you take a step further and suggested to BN and PKR to stop 'Racial Integrated' based concept.

You are old enough to learn from the 1969 episode, right? And how important 'Racial Integration' is.

If you cant think...then dont let others do for you. It shows that you are not bright after all ehh...

Me... Only Better said...

ini bukan dari kacamata politik la si Cangkul! Ini about your 18 year old dying in questionable conditions.

I am definitely NOT going to allow my kids to go for a National Service created by an untrustworthy govt and helmed by a STILL TAINTED by CORRUPTION allegations leader like Najib.

I do no want anyone profiteering from my kids' lives. Anak2 depa tu pi ka National Service atau safe in European and British schools???

Ingat senang ke nak nak beranak pastu nak surrender to strangers with DUBIOUS motives and if our gomen's track record anything to go by, anyone would ask who the hell is profiteering along the way.

Ajal maut di tangan Allah, tapi you don't simple surrender the life of your kids to be slaughtered esp to the WOLVES in politicians' clothing.

Read this:

http://no2ns.com/

IT'S A NATIONAL DEATH SERVICE. ONE DEATH TOO MANY. YOU CAN PUT ME IN JAIL TOO. NOT GONNA SEND MY KIDS.

Anonymous said...

Cangkul, Cangkul!

Cakap senang aje! Talk is cheap, kate orang. Kalau yang di timpa malang di NS itu adak dara sendiri, apakata?

suaramalaysia said...

is this a national death camp for our youth? Lee Lam Thye and the administration of the national service program has yet to give the rakyat an indebt report and explaination of all the deaths, rape and other trajedies that has beset camps since it began.

the rakyat demands a detailed report without further secrecy and concealment.

the program is riddled with unprofessionalism and instructors are themselves selected on an ad-hoc basis. rapes, unprofessional training methods, inappropriate medical facilities and abuse of camp inmates have made it the horror spectacle of the decade.

stop passing the buck, stop blaming everyone else. take a good look at the system and bring to justice those responsible for the sudden demise of these precious young lives that would have made a difference.

Anonymous said...

I am sick of hearing another case of death in NS.

I suggest all parents to stop allowing children to NS from now on. I will will send my boy/girl to hell !! Will you Najip ??

Anonymous said...

bru,

Not sure about the rest, but feedback from my niece and nephew who had undergone NS, they seem to be happy with the training, causing their adik-adik looking forward to participate too upon hearing it. Sorry I may not in agreement with you to call-off this NS for now. Let the post-mortem out first to know the actual death.

Rgds
Singapore-born Malaysian

Badul tak Bendul said...

Anonymous 10:11 PM:

Sudah lah. Sikit-sikit, ajal lah, takdir lah, hakikat lah.

Kematian pemuda-pemudi kita yang sebegini jelas boleh dielak. Tapi mereka yang mereka dan mengendalikan program NS ni semua sambil lewa, tak profesional!

Jangan pula saudara tuduh Tuhan dan Ajal.

Sikap macam saudara ni lah puncanya kenapa rakyat negara kita buat apa-apa pun seolah-olah seperti melepaskan batuk di tangga. Kalau buat benda tak betul, langsung berkata 'ini takdir'. Sikap apa ni?

poh yoke said...

It is so sad, the incompetence of our government is now killing our children. Why are we allowing this?

haji bakhil said...

Bro, You are right. Let's halt this NS thing. The only way the people in power are reluctant to do so is the benefits they probably reap from keeping the NS alive. This includes:

a) Supplies
b) Logistics
c) Daily Direct Salaries
d) Unseen expenses

However, to parents who lose their children in the name of National Service (heck, they are not even soldiers!), they have been robbed more than any of the above put together.

I say bloggers unite and get this message across. STOP NS CARNAGE!

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To Anonymous said...
Hakikatnya Saudara, Ajal tak tunggu sesiapa. Bila TIBA Ajal kita tidak akan diawalkan sesaat pun dan tidak juga akan dilambatkan sesaat juga

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EFF You. Go tell that to dead NS trainees' parents and family.

Anonymous said...

Questions to ponder:

1)What are the objectives of NS?
2)Do they make sense?
3)Are they being achieved?
4)How much does the progranmme cost?
5)Where do the payments for
NS programme go to? Who benefits?
6)Why are kids dying within the camps?
7)What is the state of health care within the camps?
8)Who takes responsibility if kids die?
9)Are parents compensated if their kids die?

If there are too many uncertainties or negatives associated with the questions above, ABOLISH the programme!

Find better ways to promote national unity and integration.

D.A. said...

Heard that some high-powered calls were made to newsrooms not to play up this issue. You should realise how near this National Disservice is to total collapse. Continue your good work, Bru. Send the unjust to hell.

Anonymous said...

Bru, saya suka ur blog.. carilah sebab kematian, kem tu macam hospital motivasi. kalu kita mati di hospital akibat salah bagi ubat atau cuai kakitangan kita boleh dakwa. kenapa kes kematian di kem ni tak di bawa ke mahkamah?

Anonymous said...

rock... apa takut dgn ketuanan melayu. melayu jadi tuan tapi hamba di negeri sendiri kerana terpaksa beli barang di kedai cina yg dikatakan 'hamba' tapi boleh bully tuan. akai ada pikirlah.

sp lim said...

If all parents were to stop sending their children to NS, what can they do? Put us all in jail? Isn't it time for civil disobedience?

Anonymous said...

A loving father warned of the risk in Nat Service Camp. No one at govt listened. How many death do they need before they stop it. But certain people will be very sad if the nat service is stopped. No more money to be made at expense of other people's life.

Anonymous said...

I dun really agree we accuse the road for the death... we need to understand this :

on the road.. is the driver who control the car.. if he/she speeding.. that is his problem.

in the NS.. we dun control it.. we merely 'have' to go, its a 'forcing' factor. When u ask people to go, then is your responsibility not talking bout death happen everywhere and its coincident.. cos i never really hear any like this in Taiwan or Singapore.

If i ask the driver to speed, then i can blame the road.

Meow said...

To those who are bashing Rocky, saying that he is against National Integration, integration should begin when we are young. Children's minds are moulded from a young age. It should start at Year 1. It's very difficult change someone's views when they are 18 - that too in 3 months. 3 months doesn't improve integration. Using guns does not improve integration. I am a Child-of-the-Earth first. My ethnicity and religion are immaterial. That's what I teach my children too. My children did not know their ethnicity until they went to school and learnt Moral & found out that they are compartmentalised, such as Chinese are Buddhists, Indians are Hindus which is actually wrong. I had to tell them Chinese can be Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, Muslims or any religion which they believe is true.

Anonymous said...

I personally never agreed on this NS and still trying hard to understand how a 3 months program will instill national unity when a 11 years of formal education in our school failed to do so.

The mission is right but sad to say the method is definately wrong.

Anonymous said...

ahmad nasri...
Now here this, my conversation with an ex girl trainee.
'Best la PLKN.Bodoh sape yg tak suka.Bila ujung minggu nak nak kalo ada cuti umum, tak ramai penjaga dlm kem.Dierang pakat2 amek cuti tinggalkan 2-3 orang je jaga kem. Masa tu la kite happening .Lepak2 dgn pakwe.Yang dulu kat sekolah skema konon masuk sana pon gedik jugak.Kite tak main la budak2 sekolah ni.Abang2 askar macho2 tu. Tau takpe.'
I felt a cold rush for a moment and said to myself ..never will I send my daughters even if I have to go to jail for it.
Now if we can remember..the PLKN was implemented during the height of the lepak,bohsia ,gangsterism etc problems in schools.It was supposed to inculcate discipline ,moral values,patriotism blah blah blah...oh dear!!! (sigh)

Anonymous said...

what is the purpose of our NS? when it was introduced, somebody said it was for our country's defence, just like Singapore's NS.

but then somebody else pointed out that there were no firearms training and so how can it be for defence? then somehow they 'changed' the purpose to 'national integration'.

the thing is, has anybody showed HOW our NS can improve national integration?

what are the key parameters? more interracial marriages? reduction in racial clashes?

how do we even begin to know whether NS is achieving its so called objectives?

this NS was pushed through without proper planning: there is no medical checkup prior to joining so nobody knows if the kids are healthy or have any allergies etc. even after years of implementation, there are still no doctors stationed at the camps to monitor the health of the kids. and what of the so called trainers' qualifications?

if those in power are really serious and sincere, why don't they put THEIR kids in this NS?

Francis said...

Have yet to understand the point of dragging city kids and training them in an impractical means of warfare.
What can one learn in 3 months? 3 months in a secluded camp hardly counts for being a service to the nation. It stands out alot more as a government funded summer camp with the core purpose of creating jobs for the people providing the services.

If such training is required, at very least it should be done closer to the city and perhaps with alot less "boot camp" style that has caused alot of pointless deaths.
Jungle warfare is out of date.

The program itself can exist as a 1-3 year commitment from those interested. But its really pointless to pull random youths together for 3 months in the name of national unity. Government has to stop trying to blend all the races together.

We've already reached a solid level of peaceful coexistance in the way we chill and hang out. Don't fix something that's not broken.

amoker said...

It is actually good money running the camps. Figures heard is up to 2 million per session per camp. Each year have 3 sessions. Who are the owner of these camps? Even royalties have a stake.

I do volunteer teaching in Pasir Panjang. Every thursday i go there, i bought food for my students. They would rather eat instant mee that food that is served. Why spend so much money in lousy food?

teong wha said...

National Service also can churn out a few millionaires every year provided the government keeps changing the suppliers of uniforms and catering service provider.

I suggest our incompetent government should compensate RM10 millions for each casualty occurred in NS.

Anonymous said...

singapore born malaysian

post mortem before you make a call? hello, after moe than 20 deaths within a short span since the inception of the NS program, the standard answer is that a thorough investigation will be done. Put it this way, young healthy malaysians dont drop dead like this. she cant just go to see God 9 hours after experiencing the first tummy ache.
singapore born malaysian, one more death one more investigation, then only you stand up? by the way, 30,000 compensation wont heal the bereaved hearts. take it back, Chairman Lee.
gosh, I rather go to jail than send my kids to this program. Chairman Lee, hope you sleep very well. This death is just another statistic to you, I guess.

pengsan dan bosan said...

Saya sokong pendapat saudara badul ...

Rakyat marah and gelisah dengan program NS bukan kerana ada peserta yang terkorban ...

Kalaulah terkorban kerana mempertahankan negara atau untuk sesuatu kebaikan, masih boleh difahami oleh rakyat jelata tetapi yang peningnya semuanya ternyata mati katak ... Mati bukan kerana "accident" tetapi kerana sebab-sebab yang boleh dicegah ...

Yang lagi menyedihkan, tak ada perubahan langsung walaupun bukan kali pertama perkara seperti ini berlaku. Apa tak gelisah lagi ibubapa yang kena hantar anak dara mereka ke kem NS ?

Kem-kem NS kebanyakannya di kawasan-kawasan yang jauh daripada hospital and fasiliti perubatan. Yang lagi teruk, tak ada pegawai perubatan di kem-kem NS. Tambah lagi perangai sambil lewa instruktor kem, kalau ada pelatih yang jatuh sakit, aduhai, tak tahulah apa yang berlaku, tak mati pun tinggal setengah nyawa lah ...

Selagi kerajaan tidak boleh menjamin yang kem-kem NS dilengkapi pegawai perubatan dan ubat yang mencukupi, selagi itulah kita tidak patut hantar anak-anak kita ke program NS.

Kalau kita lihat hospital kerajaan yang sampai hari ini masih mempunyai masalah tidak cukup doktor dan pegawai perubatan yang qualified, tak payah tengok kem NS.

Orang yang cakap Ajal sudah sampai lah ... semuanya Qadar Illahi lahh ...
Aduhai, kamu semua masih di Zaman Jahiliyah ke ?

Gua said...

anon 6:04am,

try imagine, if the trainee that reported in the news is your beloves kids, what will you feel then? Do your others kids will still dreaming to join the program when times come?

as chinese said, "you wouldn't feel the pain if the needle didn't sting on you".

To others,

Yes, accident always happen... a lot of live kills in accidents... But giving the facts.... are you willing to put your kids to a neglect driver?? Do you think the NS had any different with this neglect driver?? Think man!!! Think!!!

James Joyce said...

Bro

For those people who is "Anonymous" please put you name of any prefix.... being anonymous and commenting on issues means you are a "Coward"

Or are you a member of the opposition in Perak, Selangor, Kedah - where you dare not even put your name now.

Gua said...

some more to share here.....

some of you mentioned that these poor trainees are infact already having health issue. Are you sure of that?!! Tell me, how many investigation reports that were really open to public?? Even they had, can we trust this reports? Can we trust report from the party that after govern in 50 years, still govern by force and corruptions, instead of transparency?!! Do these ppl that didn't allowed ppl to question really dependable??

Think man!! Think!!!

flygoon said...

I have been against the Malaysia Version of National Service from the start itself. It is not a well thought out program that could provide a safe environment for our young ones.

I know people in defense of the NS will use arguments like death occurred everywhere, so it's unfair to single out NS. But these people have conveniently ignore the fact that death in NS are pretty much avoidable. The question they forgot to ask is that would these deaths be occurring if there were no NS in the first place?

Then there are people shifting the blames to the parents, citing that they should have done thorough medical check-up first before coming to the National Service. What hogwash! How could you shift such responsibility from the NS camp to that of the parents? The simple fact that once a teenager is selected in the NS he/she could not turned it down have indicated that the NS camp have the authority over the will of the trainee, and common sense and natural justice should dictate that such power should come with the responsibilities that the NS Camp be conducting thorough medical check-up on all trainees and that they should provide a safe environment for the trainee.

Sadly, this is not the case in Malaysia. What make the whole NS thing even worse is that there seems to be no sense of loss, and remorsefulness on the deaths of someone's son and daughters happening in the NS Camp. All I see is business as usual.

For those who continue to support the NS program let me ask you this question:"What if the one that dies is your son/daughter?"

Anonymous said...

Yes, end the NS program.
the parents should sue the govt for a hefty sum.
Get a petition to end this nonsense!

IMHO said...

Something very seriously wrong. I am worried for my kids if they are called to NS. We will have sleepless nights until they return home after NS safely. Hope that they will cancel the NS until they sort things out. This is really scary.

Anonymous said...

Really angry to read about another death and is Lee going to shed crocodile tears again? This death is not just another statistics like what ex-trainee commented "but the main question to ask is whether the good outweights the bad." What if it was your sibling or child? When so many companies can successfully implement 'Zero Defect' and 'Zero Accident' policies why can't it be done for the NS camps? Cakap tak serupa bikin. whispering9

Anonymous said...

NS is good in many ways : for integrating society, giving the young a sense of being wanted by their motherland, country security, physical improvements, self improvement and many other areas.
The problem (i think) in current NS that is resulting in deaths is that there is no medical checks done prior for the trainees, unlike for other full-time forces. This medical check must be made compulsary and borne by the government(tax payers). The clinics/hospitals near the vicity of NS camps must be assuared with qualified doctors (with specific medical qualification to meet general teenagers type of sickness)and adequate infrastructure, this includes (ambulances, hospital beds, etc).
In summary the NS system must be improved, not thrown out the window.
btw, i am a father of 2 kids dan susah payah saya besarkan anak-anak saya, sudah semestinya saya tidak mahu mereke di apa-apakan dan saya rela berkorban untuk mereka daripada mereka di apa-apa kan. Tapi 'national interest' mesti di dahulukan. Di sini, kaum ibu termasul bini saya tidak akan beseteju dengan pandangan saya dan saya amat 'understand' hati mereka.
This is our motherland and sometimes we have to sacrifice for her. But at same, we must also ensure that all possible requirements to safe guard our children are in place.

KK said...

Someone should STOP this senseless NS that only serve to enrich someone while killing our youth and achieve next to nothing the program sets out to be . Other than one scandal after another .

STOP this NS nonsense already lah . Waiting for more to die ? There should be a STOP THE NS CAMPAIGN organised .

KK said...

I think they should just STOP this NS .

denzook said...

"i am an ex-trainee of the national service program and i will always treasure my experience . no doubt this is a result of barisan's innovation but it has many advantages , that come with certain drawbacks at the same time . but the main question to ask is whether the good outweights the bad . personally , national service is a great program for the youths . "

this is a joke! the reason the writer quoted this means our education system is big big failure. it should be schools that nurture and cultivate integration, not so called this summer camp with another rakyat's expense. worse is it jeopardizes some other ppl studies and create sense of unfairness among the youth who is and isn't selected. singapura, korea and taiwan have solid reasons to for NS, and it applies to "ALL" guys, do you expect girls to carry m16 and throw grenade !

it's all DAP fault, if DAP didn't voice at the first place to say rempits should go for NS training all this wouldn't happen. blame dap for this mess....

Anonymous said...

Relaxlah, takan sebab itu nak tutup NS Program?
Ajal di mana-mana. Kalau sudah ditulis di NS program, di situlah ia terjadi.
CUmanya pengendali NS program itu kena lebih prihatinlah sikit soal kesihatan.
NS program penting utk pembentukan nilai dan budaya org Malaysia. Supaya tidaklah jadi macam sekarang bro!
rakyat sudah kasi sokong tumbang itu BN, pertikai lak kuasa sultan

nstman said...

Very scary. National service camps make Gestapo torture chambers look like a summer camp.

MarGeeMar said...

yahoo.com.auAnother life has been snuffed out for nothing. Another example of 'Mati Katak' (dying in vain). How many more deaths will it take before the cursed Basawi regime scraps the National Service. Already we hear of a NS Camp under quarantine due to a mystery illness.

To the macho NS graduates who are heaping praises about the program, just count yourself lucky that you are not part of the statistics. To parents who praise the NS for making their kids disciplined, you ought to be ashameed of yourselfs as parents because you have all failed as parents when you need the state to teach your kids discipline. To those who say it is Fate or Takdir when death comes a calling, you are wrong because the NS is a flawed program. I bet some of these kids would be with us today if not for the NS.

To Lee Lam Thye, be a man and say to the world that the NS is a failure. If you don't have the guts at least quit. To the Badawi regime, especially Najib, God will judge you for all the deaths!

Esky said...

Getting more & more like National Sacrifice with each passing year...

suaramalaysia said...

stop using the convenient "takdir" religous cop out excuse. rapes and negligent-based and unprofessional attitudes should not be excused or condoned by such pathetic religous or political colured cover-ups.

do not take the rakyat's intelligence or patience and goodwill for granted. these precious lifes that were suffed out in the illegitimate "death-camps" is not what parents envisage in the name of racial-intergration.

zeaot said...

Bro,

to me, the program is good if it is properly managed. the problem is, it is managed by wrong bunch of people who put money above all things.

They don't really care what those children eat as long as they can make money out of this program. This is not the first food poisoning case.

Somebody must be responsible and answerable to this incident. dont justify this negligence with stupid reasons.

. said...

I do not fault the government.

The government is, after all, a product of utter stupidity and arrogance.

The one I fault is, however, the people of Malaysia, and especially, THE PARENTS !!!

Please ask yourself: What is the chief duty of being a parent?

No, not earning money so that your kids can buy the latest Nokia cellphone, although that would be nice.

No, not loving your kids so much that they become spoilt brats.

The #1 duty for being a parent is to PROTECT your children from ALL HARM.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen: The objective of Being Parents 101 is to understand what the fuck you need to do as a parent ---- TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN !!!

So what are the Malaysian parents do?

After 19 deaths or so, the Malaysian parents are STILL sending their children away, for 3 whole months, to participating in a program that is totally DEVOID OF ANY MEANING WHATSOEVER.

No, please do not give me any bullshit excuses like "But they are going to sue US!"

I ain't gonna listen to bullshit no more !!!

Do you people understand what is "CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE" ???

If not, please read up, in wikipedia or somewhere else on the Net.

What we truly need in this country, is for our people to start practicing CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE !!!

One example is, STOP SENDING YOUR KIDS TO DIE FOR NEEDLESS CAUSE !!!!

So the government gonna sue, SUE LAH !!!

Make my day, man. If they gonna sue me, I gonna sue them back.

It's time for me to say a big "FUCK YOU !" to Najis Mongolia and his cohorts.

Please pardon my "french" !

Anonymous said...

A typical Malaysian malaise.

We always become emotional and irrational. Let's be objective. The NS programme has brought immense benefits to the participants. Don't let isolated incidents cloud our judgement. Do we have to close the NS programme when death occurs.

If we follow this simplistic reasoning, wouldn't it be more logical to ban motorcycles on the roads and highways as every year thousands of motorcyclists lost their lives. We should also ban swimming as hundreds of lives are lost each year. Ban lorries and coaches from roads and highways as many passengers have died. Close all beaches as many have been swept away by the waves. Also ban cycling as many more have lost their lives. We should also ban sports as many died young due to sports related activites. And this list can grow longer.

All the above have cost loss of billions of ringgit to the nation. And griefs to thousands of families. But yet they are not bothered to call for a ban. However, when death does occur at NS camp due mainly to medical reasons, they start to jump and call for scrapping of the NS programme. What crap.

skilgannon1066 said...

anonymous 9:33 PM

Just to set the record straight - there have been a number of fatalities in the Singapore national service programme since it was started after Spore was ejected from Msia.

But in Spore, every NS fatality is thoroughly investigated and the report findings are made public through the press.

w said...

something is wrong with the doctor

The Watchman said...

This so-called National Service programme is of absolutely no value whatsoever to its participants. The people organising this programme are all laughing all the way to the bank. A little bird says it's connected to a very senior cabinet member and his lovely wife.

We've got kids dropping dead year after year, and no one seems to be responsible for anything.

Time to burn this rubbish!

By the way ... has anyone done an audit on its efficacy ... effectiveness ... and what objectives is it supposed to achieve?

Anonymous said...

anon 1.08pm
yup, a typical malaysian malaise from you too.
great excuse but why does young and healthy dropping dead;not one but its a yearly affair. mind you, they are being compulsed and what this program served? the cronies to make more money?
integration dont start at the age fo 18! integration starts in school. integration is just a cover to feed the fat cats and that at the deadly expense of young healthy malaysians. hope this misfortune wont befall to any of your kids one day;if it does then you will know the real pain. and the malaise is from NS promoters.

Anonymous said...

NS TRUTH nothing but the truth.

I got this eye-witness truth from a youth who had just recently come back from NS Camp.

1. The present NS camp is a muchx2 watered down version of the earlier ones.75% of each day is indoor moral lessons and waiting time for roll-cal(5-to-6 times a day)
2. Polarisation is rife in the camp.
3. Feedback forms which are truthfully completed go missing and the identified trainees are ask to fill another one which hopefully is in favour of the camp co-ordinators.
4. The food that is served is so spicy that even one who is used to having chilli padi with his/her daily meal suffers diarrhoe so many times throughout the camp duration.

So, open your eyes(don't just rely on the reports that are submitted to you), whoever it is that came up with this stupid time wasting "idea???"

Jacsoho said...

This National service trainee complained of an upset stomach after having chicken rice lunch in Geo Kosmo Camp, then passed away nine hours later. I believe something is not right with the food. My bf's brother is one of the trainee in Geo Kosmo Camp. He found a spring from spanner in his chicken rice (in the chicken to be precise)during lunch. He told the food caterer and they asked him to keep quiet and don't complain to the officers. Looking at what happened now, I should now complain to the authorities.

Scott said...

NS: LAST WORDS POSTER

Melayu Lama said...

Another death at the NS camps. When will there be accountability? Only then will the operators and administrators of the camps will be more responsible. If a death is simply handled with a mere "investigation" that is long winded and blames no one, when will the responsible ones ever be brought to justice?

The ministry in-charge must be accept responsibilty for this tragedy, and this isn't the first time either.

Najib, as Defence Minister whose ministry is the supervising ministry of the NS Department has blood on his hands! What has he done about it? How many more deaths must there be before this stupid NS program is scrapped for good?

I am all for unity and racial integration among youths but come on, that's not the real reason for setting up the camps is it? If the NS is merely operating to finance some power hungry woman's ridiculous botox injections and face lifts then I dare say it's time we disbanded the whole program. The deaths just don't do justice to the program no matter how well conceived the original idea was.

Also, the woman (who too has blood on her hands) benefitting from the NS programs looks like she has had enough botox and face lifts to last a lifetime. Anymore, and she may look as ridiculous as michael jackson. Or has she already?

walla said...

Let us all achieve real national integration - collectively boycott this crazy scheme.

For the amount of rakyats' money they have sunk into this death-camp programme which would have made even Josef Mengele blush with pride, each youth could have been given a handphone, a computer and a ticket to the next Stoke City playoff.

That would have been more productive than to give our youths an appointment with death.

How many of those square-cock ministers have sent their children to this national bullshit program? Just name one. Najib, huh? What about that SIL, or even Hisham the ex-kerisman? They're young enough to attend. All they do is talk and then expect parents to send their children to play this game of russian roulette.

What are they trying to achieve? Another 20 deaths before they stop? Even one strand of hair of one of our youths is already too much, what more the tragic and completely avoidable death of so many of our dears.

If they are to die, let them decide how and when, not so young, not in one of the hairbrained politikus umno schemes.

Enough is enough lah. Stop this shit/

denzook said...

"The NS programme has brought immense benefits to the participants. Don't let isolated incidents cloud our judgement. Do we have to close the NS programme when death occurs."

benefits ? what kind of benefits ? money pouring to contractors, bus drivers, silly uniform designers ? integration, education is all role and responsibility of education minister - if the ministry should be damned (the minister should be sacked) if he's not doing his job well. and how come this rest and recreational program under defence ministry purview, and its trainees are not voluntary but pickout like choosing lottery.

do you know each time they open fire for recreation purpose, taxpayer need to pay for the bullets! do you like to hear taxpayer money is spent on youth open fires with m16 to shoot cans - just to gain shooting experience ?

darcwil said...

rocky, from your post you are urging NS to be scraped because there are kids dying of stomach upsets?

What about kids falling sick in schools after eating canteen food? Should schools be closed down on this reason?

The problem here is not about NS, but it is about food safety. Things like food poisoning happen anywhere even at your own home, so instead maybe try suggesting a better food safety system being implemented in NS camps instead.

I know a handful of people who were in NS and they feel they have benefitted a whole lot from it, so it's not all that bad.

Poseidon said...

I'm turning 17 this year and am hoping that I won't get NS...

Anonymous said...

Berita dari gunung .. be all can be is the ARMY'S motto ... u be all the MORON U CAN BE ,,,

Anonymous said...

Rocky... sorry, but this is completely out of topic for this thread but it's something which I've always wanted to point out but it always slipped my mind.

did you know... that all your links lead to free sites except for one?

in the name of political correctness that site should allow free access to those came to their site via the link from your blog... don't you think so?

Anonymous said...

In page 3 star today, parents told not to be overly concerned.. someone died. what do you mean not to be overly concerned! BODOH

sinnersaint:saintsinner said...

Mr Bru,

Here's a thought.... could it be, the personnel who manage these camps who arent fit to administer rather than the program itself.

We all feel extremely sad and disturbed by all these negligence year in year out, illness, accidents and deaths.

Shouldnt the authorities take responsibility to terminate them ie Camp Administrators or better, Charge them, make them liable for any mishaps/accidents on their watch? Generals, Majors, who cares, bring to court and charge them.

I'm certain everyones is tired of the same ole explanations, its time to make these drastic change.

No more sweeping it under the carpet, take action and give the rakyat some peace of mind that their kids are in an environment thats secured and managed by proffessionals.

If Singapore can do it, why cant we???????? No more "tidak apa" and cheque handing ceremonies.

We cant bring them back.

e n g said...

ok there are quite many people here who support the NS and some don't.
Perhaps the government should remove the mandatory requirement for the selected kids to join NS.
Instead, the programme should only open to those parents who wants their son/daugther to be in the programme.
And get them sign the paper 'in the event bla bla bla.. the government will not be responsible'.
So if any more deaths happen, at least the government won't get the hot potato again.

Kerp (Ph.D) said...

here's my take; get rid of NS entirely and send all the astronaut-wannabe kids to the sun. the fella who mooted this NS idea gets to pilot the soyuz on its maiden flight.

KABUTZALWAYZ said...

HIDUP DAN MATI

Apabila Allah meniupkan roh didalam sesuata jasad, maka lahirlah seorang manusia..

Dan apabila sampai masa untuk roh itu keluar, maka tanpa boleh ditunggu atau ditunggukan, keluarlah ia dari jasad manusia tersebut..

Itulah 'kontrak' manusia yang telah dijanjikan Allah kepada setiap manusia di muka bumi ini..

Hidup dan Mati itu ketentuan Illahi maka tiada sesiapa yang boleh dan mampu mempertikaikan Qada dan Qadar ini..

Sesungguhnya iman manusia itU lengkap apabila beriman dengan Rukun Iman.

RENUNGKANLAH !!!

Anonymous said...

Haiyaa,
you malay just sit quite la, lu makan gaji sama cukup la. let us manage the NS camp u people look at singapore how we manage? very efficient lo, all the people over there are all rich including the malay. End of the month get salary enough lo, we manage every thing...

KABUTZALWAYZ said...

sambungan sikit..

ada yang cakap jangan salahkan takdir, tapi adakah anda terutamanya yang beragama Islam ingin melawan ketentuan Qada & Qadar...
Jika anda melawan ketentuan ini maka anda menolak rukun Iman iaitu tunjang keIslaman seseorang Muslim selepas Rukun Islam..

Kabutzalwayz bukanlah seorang yang sempurna tetapi apabila sampai kepada hukum Allah yang diketahui umum maka fikirkanlah kata-kata yang dikeluarkan oleh anda semua..

Buka hati, buka minda,kenali diri..

RENUNGKANLAH !!!

Anonymous said...

darcwil
you know a handful benefited and thats not too bad.
please, one death is enough to negate all the benefits. we, as parents, arent going to raise our kids to be sent to a game of chance.
who's next, darcwil? if its your kid, few benefit justify his/her death? do you feel?

Anonymous said...

suara malaysia,
you think the lee fella cares? if the same misfortune falls on his kids. then only he will feel.
now, he cares more about his big merc, suara.
good luck.

Anonymous said...

eng,
you think they allow it to be voluntary? hey the cronies gotta eat shit, if thats the case.
by the way,why dont you check with that chairman lee why it is still compulsory?

Anonymous said...

Dear Rocky and fellow readers,

Feel free to download this image and distribute it to your family, friends, MP's and State Assemblymen, in a campaign to scrap the NS.

http://www.upmeup.com/out/i1489_najisservice.jpg

Enough is enough! No more dead kids to make crony fatcats and their wives rich!

Anak said...

We are not sending our children to die at NS camp. If they are soldiers, of course we may feel proud they die in battle while protecting the country. But, it is NS camp. They are not even paid a salary to die. Do something please. Stop the nonsense (death) if we need this programme to carry on. If there's no guarantee, then why not scrap it.

another anon said...

hahaha...James Joyce, that's a bit rich coming from you, having a bash on the anonymous comments. Is your real name James Joyce? Or is it just a matter of you liking Ulysses/Finnegans Wake?
If its the latter, as I am inclined to believe, then really you are not much different from the anons.

The Watcher said...

Eh, all you UMNO supporters (esp the guy with the UMNO logo) coming here and saying Takdir lah....

Tell me, why are you clowns then so upset about losing badly in GE that you are asking Pak Lah to step down? Takdir kan...kenapa bising?

Piraaaah! Bodoh buat malu untuk orang Melayu aje.

tok guru of kelantan said...

BN government isn't a 1st class so ideas can be good but the implementation is 3rd class. The system of getting the job done is the worst you can thing off, time is wasted, money is wasted because BN is not using the best people and doesn't accept accountibility.

Another 18 years old dies at NS camp, this kind of result is part the BN culture.

We can't depend on BN to lead us, be prepare for changes. We need Anwar, we need Lim Guan Eng.

Anonymous said...

Come on! just because they stay there and dies, it turns into big issue?! children also dies at home due to certain courses but has that become a big issue? please open your eyes! what can we all do is be a supportive Malaysian in order to work things out and continue to produce good quality youth for Malaysia's future!

Anonymous said...

anak

i can die for Malaysia

but not for Babarian nasional

Mr. Malaysia said...

Dear Rocky,

I'm very surprised to note that you highlight the blog of the blogger Pasquale on your webpage.

Unlike you and Haris Ibrahim, his views are lop-sided, and insensitive and intolerant in some cases.

An interesting character he is for sure, but racially divisive and bigoted at the same time.

Anonymous said...

Scrap the National Service. It is disrupting the plans of affected families and so many young people have died.

Use the funds to do more meaningful and helpful things.

Stop NS

Anonymous said...

Since there are those who feel that death can occur anywhere. Well, make NS a voluntery basis. Those who want to send their children to such camps can do so. Don't force others to go, unless the authorities can guarantee their safety.No more body bags please.

Anonymous said...

The objectives of the national service programme:

* Develop a young generation who are patriotic and with love for their country
* Enhance unity among the multi-racial communities in the country
* Instill a spirit of caring and volunteerism among society
* Produce an active, intelligent and confident generation
* Develop positive characteristics among the younger generation through good value.

PORDAH!!! WHILE BEHAVING LIKE NATANG IN THE PARLIAMENT...

Anonymous said...

should b blaming ns for death, as if denying God's willing...if at all u want to call for the NS to be ended, be it on other ground. ineffective management, no gains on the people's end, wasting ppl's money, so on so forth,
do not link the death of trainees to justify shutting down the programme, it just not SMART ...

sensible mind said...

should not blame death to shut down this programme, it is if you are denying God's willing...

if at all you wants to call it off, be it on different ground, mismanagement of funds, disruption to your child education plan, no foreseen benefits to rakyat...or any other reasons for that matter...not death..

People died everyday on the road, so you should ban the use of road then? Go figure!!!

Anonymous said...

BOYCOTT NS!!! - STRENGTH IN UNITY

Calling all parents to boycott NS; Do NOT send YOUR children to NS !! See how are they going to put all the boycotters in jail?

Dear Bloggers, please help to disseminate this urgent call!!

THANK YOU for saving the lives of our precious youth.

atw said...

Since the beginning of last year, many people have been expressing their concerns about the high fatalities related to participation in the NS programme. Many have called for it to be suspended or review.

However, those who are responsible for the implementation of this programme would not listen. Now they must be held morally and even legally accountable for their negligence for the recent deaths.

In order to help those who want to review the press reports and letters which have been written about this ill-conceived NS programme, I have put them up at the following:

http://stopNSprogramme.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

All i WANT FOR MOTHER'S DAY IS TO HEAR THE GOOD NEWS THAT NS IS ABOLISHED. I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT THE MOTHER'S OF THOSE WHO DIED DURING NS FEELS. IT IS A NIGHTMARE THAT NO MOTHER'S WANT TO GO THRU'. SO PLEASE MR LEE LAM THYE !!! PLEASE ABOLISH IT. WE LOVE OUR KIDS SO MUCH....NOT THAT WE CANT ACCEPT FATE...BUT CAN U IMAGINE WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO SEND YR HEALTHY KID TO THE NS CAMP ONLY TO RECEIVE NEWS THAT YOUR KID DIED THERE? THE LEAST THAT ANY PARENTS EXPECTS IS THAT WE ARE THERE BY OUR CHILD'S SIDE DURING HIS/HER LAST MOMENTS AND WE AS PARENTS HAD DONE OUR BEST TO GIVE THEM THE BEST AVAILABLE TREATMENT POSSIBLE. PLS DO NOT LET ANOTHER MOTHER SUFFER....PLEASE GIVE US THE GOOD NEWS THAT U AGREE TO ABOLISH NS....TODAY IS MOTHER'S DAY AND THIS IS MY WISH...AND EVERY MOTHER'S IN MALAYSIA'S WISH....PLEASE DUN DISSAPOINT US!

Anonymous said...

Yes, there are accidents on the road but people can choose different type of transports and whether to use the road or not. NS is not given that free choice. Think about it.

The freedom to accept the risk or not is not there. Figure this.

Cikgu Din Sakura said...

Betul ajal itu ada di mana-mana dan tidak mengira masa. Tapi meyatakan kematian pelatih adalah kerana demam (kes terdahulu) seolah-olah hanya melepas batuk di tangga. Yang diperlukan adalah terdapatnya satu prosedur untuk mengesan dengan cepat sebarang penyakit/ kemalangan dan menghantar pelatih yang terlibat dengan pantas ke hospital yang terdekat. Ketidakprihatinan pihak NS adalah sangat-sangat dikesalkan.

zakk said...

is there any law in this country that allow parents to have the right for their childrens safety ? Mr lee lam thye...let the NS programme continue...advertise n promote its benefits in the MSM...BUT let the parets choose whether they allow their children to go for NS or not..!!

concerned mum said...

BN mp's n ministers!!! send YOUR sons n daughters to PLKN..!!Good leaders should show good examples.Convince us that PLKN is safe. If PLKN is safe for ministers kids , it will surely be safe for our kids too..I am sure there are many ministers who have kids eligible for PLKN....pls start the heads...ooops!!..the ball rolling !!!

zakk said...

all the annonymous here are amno cybertroopers or what?i agree "ajal dan maut di tangan tuhan". i agree death can happen anywhere...BUT have you ever heard that " kita perlu berusaha dan tidak menyerah kpd takdir semata-mata.Takdir is only accepting death as fated AFTER berusaha.How much USAHA was done by PLKN staff to save those kids...malay/chinese/indians whatever..they are our kids n they dun deserve to die suddenly the way they did!!!u ingt anak kami ni anak ikan ke??!!!!!

Anonymous said...

if all parents decide not to allow their beloved kids to go for NS...i mean if ALL of us stood our ground...what CAN najis do? will ALL of us be put into jail ? Will it be worth it to prevent another death ? juz my thots...

TimTim said...

before the government runs a program for the sake of running one, do bear in mind the best infrastructure has to be put in place which includes stringent checks and verifications of the background and qualifications on those trainers and medical officers. young lives are at stake here and every inch of details to the program has to be taken with great care and consideration befoe implementaion.

Anonymous said...

IN MOST OF THE CASES , THE CHILD IS BROUGHT TO HOSPITAL BARELY 24 HOURS BEFORE DEATH OCCURS...I WONDER..IN THE MOST RECENT CASE...IF THE CHILD HAD BEEN WITH HER PARENTS,WOULD HER PARENTS HAVE WAITED THAT LONG TO BRING THEIR BELOVED CHILD TO HOSPITAL?...IF SO...WOULD THE DOCTORS HAVE MORE TIME TO SAVE HER LIFE?...OH YES...DEATH IS FATED...BUT THEN...ARE WE ACTUALLY TEMPTING FATE BY SENDING OUR KIDS TO NS?THE BURNING QUESTION IS...COULD SHE HAVE BEEN SAVED?WAS THE BEST MEDICAL TREATMENT GIVEN TO SAVE HER LIFE?WOULD THE OUTCOME HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT?...HOW MUCH DID SHE SUFFERED BEFORE SHE DIED?...HOW WAS HER LAST MOMENTS?...DID SHE YEARN TO SEE HER MOM N DAD...BEFORE SHE CLOSED HER EYES FOREVER...?HOW DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO DIE ALONE WITHOUT YR LOVED ONES AROUND YOU....WHAT WENT THRU HER MIND?...MY HEART BLEEDS WHEN I IMAGINE IT...BTW I AM A MALAY DOCTOR...IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER ITS MALAY/CHINESE/INDIANS..DEEP DOWN ALL OF US ARE THE SAME...LETS JOIN 2GETHER N DUN LET ANOTHER CHILD DIE LIKE THIS...!!!!

TM1-GB said...

I SAY LOUD AND CLEAR LET'S CANCEL THIS NATIONAL SERVICE S**T. WE THE PARENTS HAVE THE RIGHT, WHY DON'T WE ALL JUST REFUSE TO SEND OUR KIDDOS TO THE CAMP, ALL AT ONE TIME? WE'VE ENOUGH SOLDIERS TO FIGHT OFF THAT LITTLE ISLAND DOWN SOUTH IF NEED BE. THEY NEEDED IT SINCE THEY ARE WAY TOO SMALL, BUT MALAYSIA? KIDS, CONCENTRATE ON YOUR STUDIES. WE ARE NOT DOING ANY DISSERVICE TO THE COUNTRY IF YOU DO NOT ATTEND THIS MONEY MAKING, LIFE TAKING PROGRAM! ENUFF IS ENUFF!

Anonymous said...

Every facilities in NS are not in good condition,most important, hygiene.

Just scrap NS, and let them do whatever those teenagers wanna do, study, scientist.......what ever.

Useless quarantine, they will come up with some XXXX excuses.

Just leave those diagnose to doctors instead of paramedic.

MOHD FADZIL said...

Tak kan sorang mati semua nak di batalkan. Kamu kan pandai. Bagilah idea cara nak baiki.

Rata rata aku baca dlm blog, hapuskan coalition,UMNO dan social contract.WTF

Apa kata scrapkan NS dan diganti dengan KERAHAN TENTERA. Kita tengok cina dan india mana yang sanggup masuk askar dengan gaji ciput. Sekarang tak habis habis dengan my righ, our right, we have marginalized WTF?

Aku rasa mereka setuju, tapi selepas semua melayu masuk hutan (kalau ada lagi) dan cina jadi PM dan TPM dan 2/3 adalah cina (sikit bagilah kat india!!)


Kata Engku Aziz " In my column last Sunday, I suggested introducing national military service to redress the racial imbalance in our police and armed forces.

Those under-represented ethnic groups that have been vocal about their rights will, I am sure, welcome this opportunity to exercise their inalienable rights to serve their country alongside other Malaysians. Maintaining the peace and security of our country must be a shared responsibility.

A retired Malaysian Armed Forces major of Chinese extraction, who served the nation with pride and loyalty, emails me to say that there is no better or more natural environment to integrate our diverse races and cultures than that of the armed services.

An 18-month stint would bring about greater understanding of other cultures and traditions. The major also tells me that never in his entire service did he feel in any way marginalised because he was from a minority race.

Many of my classmates were "conscripted" - a large number of them Chinese and Indians - into the police jungle squads. One of them even won the George Medal, the highest civilian honour for exceptional courage (the civilian equivalent of the Victoria Cross).

I am sad to say, there were also some fair weather Malayans who took the slow boat to China, India and Ceylon to avoid the call-up.

When this was scrapped not long afterwards, a friend who had decamped to Ceylon returned, and was among the first to claim his "right" to a government overseas teacher training scholarship, which he took without any sense of shame."

Kita tengok berapa ramai yang akan tiba tiba ambil keputusan untuk belajar keluar negeri , atau mengambil keputusan bekerja di luar negara atau membeli sijil unfit daripada doktor daripada india, hong kong atau australia ? jika Kerahan TENTERA ini dilaksanakan.!

Sebenarnya dengan rasa tamak dan tidak mau berkongsi ini yang menyebabkan mereka akan meminta dan terus meminta sahingga Malaysia menjadi REPUBLIC! khalas

MOHD FADZIL said...

1. YA Kita scrap NS tubuhkan KERAHAN TENTERA 18 ke 24 bulan , PERIOD. Kalu tak joint , citizenship - REVOKED! amacam setuj???
2. Yang melalak takut anak mati dalam kerahan tenaga, jangan kawin atau turn to GAY or LESBIAN.
3. Yang tak setuju operator NS camp dapat banyak duit, daftar sekarang and bocome one of the operator. AI the PM in waiting will be in the office this coming OCT.Surely he will accommodate your request open hand.
4.Yang tak percaya report dalam akbar perdana, Pls ask AI or the current HOS (CMs of the 4 states)tubuhkan special CSI and report it in Malaysiakini or Malaysia Today.
5.Paling akhir jaminan aku, everything will be 110% perfect when AI, LGE, LKS, KS and chauvinist took office in NOV 2008. Tak ada rasuah, tak ada kematian, tak ada tol, tak dak apaaaa!!

Anonymous said...

Good write up from Sun

Problem? Just outsource it
Terence Fernandez

IT’S AMAZING how in the midst of tragedy, some people can find a golden nugget. Three days after yet another National Service (NS) trainee died while in the custody of NS officials, enterprising individuals have realised that a very profitable business opportunity has revealed itself.

With the announcement of the deputy prime minister on Saturday that the government will outsource health check-ups for the 90,000-odd teenagers that are called up for NS training annually, it is a foregone conclusion that the rent-seekers will be queuing outside the offices of the NS Training Department and the Defence Ministry hoping to pitch for the contract that promises millions in returns.

While the family of 18-year-old Too Hui Min comes to terms with the death of their daughter of something as treatable as constipation, the well-connected, enterprising and shrewd are falling over each other to ensure that they clinch the deal.

They are hoping to strike it rich at the expense of Hui Min and the 15 other children who died during training for various ailments and accidents since the NS scheme was introduced four years ago.

For those not very business savvy, you don’t have to scratch your heads to figure out how to compose a proposal.

Just photo-copy or re-work the previous health check schemes that have emerged in recent times – Fomema for foreign workers and the shelved E-Kesihatan for commercial vehicle drivers and attendants. Make sure you appoint a Yang Berhormat or former NS Training Council member or retired ministry official as your chairman or director, as this will facilitate access to the top brass who will ultimately decide if you get the job. Cook up a catchy name like NSihat or F-Kesihatan and impose a fee of RM50 on the parents who will be compelled to take their kids to a panel clinic certified by you. Any clinic which would want to be a panel of NSihat will have to pay RM100 as "joining fee". Charge another RM80 for "administrative fees". To refill the coffers make sure you also impose an annual "membership" fee of RM100 on these panel clinics.

And don’t forget, of the RM50 that hapless parents pay for their children’s check-ups, you get RM20. Multiply this by 30,000 trainees, and you make a cool RM600,000 per batch of NS trainees. And there are three batches a year which brings the total to about 90,000 medical check-ups. Sembilan puluh ribu darab RM20? You do the math!

Instead of tweaking the requirement for medical check ups so that thorough examinations are done before admission into the camp, currently the onus is on parents to fill out a checklist ala an insurance policy application, and obtain a doctor’s signature at the bottom of the form. This signature, as I have discovered from some parents, is not compulsory. The lucky ones are later discovered to be unfit for the rigorous activities and sent home. The not-so-lucky ones return in a coffin.

What happened to the promise of a medical officer in every camp? Why are camp commandants so complacent about the medical needs of the trainees, so much so that 15 of the 16 deaths are due to delayed medical treatment?

It seems that "outsourcing" seems to be the miracle solution for every flaw in the administration. By introducing privatisation from buying jets to supplying nasi lemak, the decision-makers think they are killing two birds with one stone – addressing weaknesses and sharing the economic pie in the spirit of the New Economic Policy (NEP). From less-than-satisfactory living conditions, low quality food, poorly trained and abusive camp trainers and as we have sadly experienced, poor healthcare, the complaints are legion. It is about time that the whole programme is reviewed or scrapped.

To say that the programme is compulsory as it helps to forge unity among the various races is laughable and an insult to one’s intelligence. What can you achieve in three months, where 12 years of national schooling have failed?

Compelling parents to release their children into the care of the NS Training Department for three months when the department itself cannot guarantee their well-being, is akin to using the law to take hostage of our children.

Instead of suspending the NS training scheme until all flaws are ironed out, the government wants to push ahead with an ill-conceived, poorly thought out and profit-oriented policy where the pawns and ultimate victims are our children. For whose benefit is it for really? One begs an answer.

Terence will charge a patent fee on anyone who steals his ideas for profit. He is reachable at terence@thesundaily.com

RAVAGE said...

You know what? Dont think the Gov will scrap this shit. They called it a camp to strengthen racial unity and shit, but really, makes you wonder what they're actually doing behind the scenes. You know that ad they show on TV? Where everyone is happy and stuff? Are they really happy there? It's all propaganda. Actually, it will be my turn to go soon. Next year, to be exact. But fret not, and screw ISA. If I make it out alive, I will tell the world how EVERYONE was treated in NS. Secrets will be revealed.

Anonymous said...

asslamualaikum en ahmad fazil....!!! aku nk suggest kau anta lah dulu anak kau ...anak sedara kau .... anak buah kau pi plkn yg kau sanjung2 tu !!! pastu copy paste gamba2 diorg kt sini !!!dun talk like a moron when we are talking about LIVES LOST !!! kau ni cybertrooper amno ke ? ahahahaaa !!! patotlah kau pun nyanyuk mcm bos kau yg suke tidor tu !!!

BUKAN GAY/LESBIAN said...

EN MOHD FAZIL !! PLS DUN INSULT THE GAY/LESBIAN COMMUNITY ! NOWADAYS GAYS / LESBIANS ALSO ADOPT CHILDREN....AND I AM PRETTY SURE THEY OSO DUN WANT TO SEND THEIR BELOVED KIDS TO THE NATIONAL-SACRIFICE....!!!LU OTAK UDANG...CKP SUKE-SUKE AJE....APA NAMA...?....MCM BOSS LAME U JUGA....U TAU TAK ? IF TODAY PR BCOME GOVT ...THE NEXT DAY NS IS SCRAPED OFF !!

MALAY DOCTOR said...

i am wondering....if medical check up is done..and the child is certified FIT ..... if and if the child dies bcos of a burst appendix which was treated TOO LATE by the plkn staff....is MR ROAST-MAH going to say that this child had an EXISTING appendicitis waiting to burst...and thus plkn TAK BERTANGGUNG JWB ATAS KEMATIAN YG TAK DPT DI ELAKKAN ?What is so obvious here is they are implying that each death is always due to PRE-EXISTING diseases that the child have. If a full medical check up is to be done , i suppose it has to be really thorough and they have to list out what are the diseases that should make the child not eligible for plkn...?so..is ASTHMA included in the list ? why shouldnt it be? acute asthmatic attacks can be fatal !! what about SEVERE ALLERGY ? The list goes on...!! it doesnt rectify the problem.The whole problem is that this programme was done hastily...without proper plan from day one...our beloved kids are treated like GUINEA PIGS...experimented as the programme continues...medical back-up incase of emergencies are not thought of at all...there is a gross breakdown of communication between plkn staff n parents as can be seen from those cases who died...SO WHY ARE THEY NOT
GOING TO HALT THESE PROGRAMME ? LIVES ARE LOST HERE FOR GOODNESS SAKE ?!!! YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE............

malay doctor said...

I READ WHAT LEE LAM THYE WROTE IN NST TODAY...ON PAGE 24 - LETTERS TO THE EDITORS SECTION..." IF THE SICK TRAINEES SHOW NO SIGN OF IMPROVEMENT AFTER 24 HRS THEY MUST BE SENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NEAREST HOSPITAL.."

HOHOHO EN LEE !! 24 HRS ?!! DO YOU KNOW THAT PERFORATED APPENDIX...SEVERE ACUTE ASTHMA...PERFORATED GASTRIC ULCER...aiyah ! the list is rly long !...any of these can kill a patient in LESS THAN 24 HRS !!

lee lam thye said it is the STANDING OPERATING PROCEDURE, (quoting what he said in nst may 13 2008...)TO BRING THE CHILD TO HOSPITAL IF THEY DUN RESPONSE AFTER 24HRS BEING TREATED AT THE NS CAMPS .

ohoho...so now i know why those unfortunate kids die soon after being sent to hospital !!!!!!!

loving daddy said...

until and unless mr lee lam thye
can arrange to have medical doctors on standby duty at every camps thru-out each 3 monthly NS stint , juz like what is done during the muslims pilgrimmage to mecca , i doubt any bloody medical check up will serve any purpose.

we are talking about human lives , young malayians , our children and now i am wondering what else can parents do so that our child will not become the next victim.

i can never forgive myself should anything happen to my beloved kid while doing the ns stint...i would not be able to forgive myself especially with the present scenario where we have a constant number of about 4 to 5 deaths during NS every year, Its frightening knowing that the child you send for NS might not come back alive....4 to 5 deaths per year...so who is next ?

of course there are parents like EN FADZIL , above , who seemed to like NS programmes for his children...so why not allow parents like him to send their kids for national service ?

usually people have to pay big bucks to let their kids to have these kind of camps. mr lee may promote it on our MSM so that parents scramble to get a place for their kids to do NS.

isnt it better not to force it upon us..esp with the number of deaths that has occured?

mr lee lam thye...if i were u , i would have resigned immediately.

Anonymous said...

to whacktembugger and pahlawan cangkul...

mmg betul setiap org mati tak kira tua atau muda. fated maaa .

btw...how about you go and sleep on the railway track knowing the train is gonna come ...hey bro !! jgn risau maaaa !! if your is not yet to come you wont die. its fated , what ?!!!

ini semua takdir.

pakai helmet oso die in motorcycle accident....its fated.

i will only change my mind about ns if any anak menteri oso go for ns juz like us who are anak org biasa.!!

Anonymous said...

to ano 1: 08 pm

u wouldnt be singing that tune if someone close to you had died at NS.....WANNA BET?

Regarding deaths on the road...heck !!! at least nobody force us to be on the road.

But NS is special...the whole thing sucks bcos parents are FORCED to let go of their beloved child.!!

and it is so weird that so far ...NONE of BN MINISTERS kids are sent for NS.

IS it bcos our BN ministers themselves dun trust NS ?

Anonymous said...

MAC 2008 - BALAMMAH PASSED AWAY
APRIL 2008 - AFIZ ZUHAIRI DIED
MEI 2008 - TOH HUI MIN DIED

IF I AM MR LEE LAM THYE , I WOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY. I WONT BE ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT THINKING OF THOSE KIDS.

3 KIDS DIED ALL IN A ROW...OMG SOMETHING MUST RLY BE WRONG ! NO WONDER OUR BN MINISTERS DUN LET THEIR KIDS GO FOR NS !!!

Anonymous said...

If a pupil died in school coz of food poisoning, should we ban school?

Someone got killed in road accident, should we ban roads and cars?

Plane crashes, should we ban them and airports?

A worker died in construction site, should we ban Contruction of buildings, houses, mosques, bridges?

Should we ban something if someone dies?

Are we becoming a bunch of over-reacting government watchdog?

Just asked those kids whether they enjoy the experience? Are we listening to them?

I know for sure most student would look forward to this outing.

It is unfortunate that these things happened. But that does not mean it cannot be improved.

In many human endeavor, failures, fatalities is just part of the process. And we learn from it.

If we ban everything that fails, we wont get where we are.

What are the chances of these kids experiencing camp & communal life, discipline, tollerance, outdoor activities etc without NS.

MM

MOHD FADZIL said...

Anonymous? U are not up to it to disc' in this blog. Pertama kamu pengecut(tak nak letak nama)dan juga mungkin seorang bapa yang penakut .Ibu bapa yang pengecut dan tidak sanggup "berkorban" akan menjual maruah anak dengan dimanjakan dengan perlindungan yang keterlampauan. Anak anak begini akan terpinggir dan tewas dengan kenyataan hidup dan kekerasan dunia dan miskin diakhirat. (mudah tewas dengan rasuah dan lari di medan perjuangan) 2ndly a greater moron than me by not knowing of what u are shoutin'.

MOHD FADZIL said...

BUKAN GAY/LESBIAN ? Hello!!! anybody home? Im not insulting em. When u said there re also adopting children , ( but rejecting to have it in natural way)save to say their sense to have normal life is still there. Keluar dari kotak kecil tu. Singleness in objecting shows the real otak udang!!!

MOHD FADZIL said...

Anonymous? U are not up to it to disc' in this blog. Pertama kamu pengecut(tak nak letak nama)dan juga mungkin seorang bapa yang penakut .Ibu bapa yang pengecut dan tidak sanggup "berkorban" akan menjual maruah anak dengan dimanjakan dengan perlindungan yang keterlampauan. Anak anak begini akan terpinggir dan tewas dengan kenyataan hidup dan kekerasan dunia dan miskin diakhirat. (mudah tewas dengan rasuah dan lari di medan perjuangan) 2ndly a greater moron than me by not knowing of what u are shoutin'.

Anonymous said...

lee lam thye is all talk only! big talk. what else can he do? please resign.

BUKAN GAY/LESBIAN said...

EN MOHD FADZIL .....HELLO BRO !!

BACA BALIK WHAT U WROTE ."..kalo takut anak mati , jgn kawin atau turn to gay or lesbian..."

INI BKN INSULTING KPD KAUM TERTENTU KE ?

U ARE ALSO INSULTING THOSE WHO CHOSE NOT TO GET MARRIED !! IMPLYING THOSE WHO DIDN'T MARRY ARE GAYS / LESBIANS !!

THE POINT HERE IS SO MANY KIDS DIED DURING NS. AND WHAT DID YOU N YR BOSS NAJIS SAY ???

NS MUST GO ON BCOS "INVOLVE A LOT OF PARTIES?"

FOR GOODNESS SAKE THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG HERE IF HEALTHY KIDS DIE SUDDENLY AND SOME PEOPLE INCLUDING YOU INSIST THAT THE PROGRAM MUST GO ON...WHATS WRONG WITH REVIEWING IT CAREFULLY...HALT IT FOR A WHILE...DO A PROPER STUDY OF EACH DEATHS ?

U ARE A MALAY. AKU PUN MELAYU...AND I AM ASHAMED THAT MY FELLOW ORG MELAYU HAVE THIS KIND OF MENTALITY.

IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER THE ONE WHO DIED IS MALAY/CHINESE/INDIAN/ETCETERA , ITS A HUMAN LIFE HERE ... SOMEONES CHILD...

I AM SO SAD THAT U PRAY 5X A DAY AND U HAVE THIS KIND OF MENTALITY.

BUT THEN NOT SURPRISING IF U ARE AN AMNO GOON...TYPICAL OF THEM SCUM-BUGS!! SORRY I AM NOT POLITE WITH YOU BUT I AM ANGRY WITH HOW INSENSITIVE YOU ARE ESP WHEN YOUR NAME IS FADZIL...BUDAYA KITA ORG MELAYU TURUN TEMURUN BIASANYA KITA ADE SYMPATHY N EMPATHY TERHADAP ORG LAIN TAK KIRA BANGSA N AGAMA.

Anonymous said...

SALAM EN FADZIL...

I DUN MIND BEING A BAPAK PENGECUT....AS LONG AS I DUN REGRET THE WHOLE OF MY LIFE IF MY CHILD DIES DURING NS.

IF U FEEL NS IS GOOD FOR YR KIDS...U HANTARLAH....NO NEED TO FORCE IT ON OTHERS.

BTW....BOLEH TRANSPARENT TAK SIKIT...TELL ME EXACTLY IN THESE PAST 4 YEARS...HOW MANY ANAK BN MINISTERS WENT TO DO NS ?

WHAT ?!!!..YOU MEAN...NONE OF THEM ? NOT A SINGLE ONE ?!!!

OH WOW ! I SUPPOSE THAT EXPLAINS A LOT OF THINGS , DUN U THINK SO ?

I MEAN...WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING SCHOLARSHIPS WE CAN EASILY FIND A FEW THO' PLACES FOR SCHOLARSHIPS ARE LIMITED...BUT EXTRAORDINARILY WHEN ITS NS WHERE THOUSANDS ARE CHOSEN....MIRACULOUSLY NONE GOT THE LUCKY DRAW TO DO NS...

OH WELLLLL...WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED ?

DUN WORRY FADZIL...A LITTLE MORE TIME...A BIT MORE....PR WILL TAKE OVER AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL BE SCURRYING AWAY WITH YOUR TAILS IN BETWEEN YR LEGS..

MAYBE THEN ALL OF US WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHO ACTUALLY BENEFITED MOST FROM THIS NS THINGY...AND WHY THOSE SCUM BUGS WANT IT TO CONTINUE DESPITE ALL THOSE DEATHS!!

mama said...

My daughter did her NS 2 years ago in Pahang.

She told me it was a waste of time. She didnt remember much about it now except how bad the food were , and marching in the hot sun.

If anybody falls sick usually its difficult to get the attention of the commandent in charge...usually the kids are brushed off and told to be tough.So my daughter was not surprised when she read about the circumstances of those who died...more often than not it is difficult to get those in charge to take them seriously whenever they complain of pain or being ill.

Racial intergration ? there is a great tendency for children
to flock together according to their races.I suppose this reflects that 11 years of schooling from std 1 to form 5 fails to integrate our children so there is little likelihood that a 3 month stint is going to do much anyway. I am glad my daughtry came back to us in one piece.

My son is in form 5 this year. I can honestly say that I am praying hard that he wont be called for NS.

loving daddy said...

Dearest ano. ( 10:59 pm)

There is no harm if the program is halted for a while and reviewed thoroughly before being implemented again. We shouldn't continue it juz bcos the profit of running the program involves many parties , at the end of the day its the safety of the kids that is the most important.

Any parents will willingly send
their kids for ns and infact many parents do send their kids to all kinds of motivational camps during school holidays. Mind you , those programs are not cheap .

Even for those programs where we have to pay , safety is the utmost importance in our minds.

The issue here is SAFETY. With a tract record of 4-5 deaths per year , any loving n responsible parents would be concerned n apprehensive.

Maybe not for YOU and EN MOHD FADZIL but it is a matter of huge concern for lots of parents INCLUDING ME.

It would have been better if parents have a CHOICE about this matter so that people like you can send your kids to do NS (and accept it if your kid die there as fated ).

If that is done then NS will not be an issue at all.

Anonymous said...

hi

we must have stand and sue the government .someone has to speak up to this person that started this plkn if not all of us will die because of this person. we must take an action as fast as possible.

COME ON PEOPLE STAND UP .THIS KEM IS NOT FOR US . WE DON'T WANT ANY CHILDREN TO DIE