Thursday, January 22, 2015

The "Allah" issue" In God's name ...

No Allah for Herald 
Puchong, Jan 22: If the Federal Court had ruled otherwise, the Muslims in this country will do two things in quick succession: 
1. Hold angry but peaceful protests against Prime Minister Najib Razak's government (not against the Catholics or their publication The Herald) for losing the case
2. Go back to their old routines. Some will fortify their faith in their religion while may even forget Allah in their daily undertaking ... 
My hope is that the people behind The Christian Herald, the publication that took the government to court (in the name of Press or religious freedom, I'm not quite certain) because the Home Ministry banned it from using the word "Allah" in their editorials (a lot of people made the mistake of thinking that the Christians took the government to court), can learn to respect the decision of the highest court in this country. 
Those God-fearing Yang Ariffs were put there to help make sure that justice that Herald was seeking is done. And justice has been done. Alhamdulillah. 
Please respect the Muslims and the Christians who want to continue to live peacefully, side by side, in this country.
Don't forget one important thing: the Federal Court's decision doesn't take away anything from Catholics in Malaysia. In Sabah and Sarawak, Christians continue to be free to use "Allah" for God as had been the practice for decades. 
If the editors at The Herald feel so strongly about the issue, in God's name please move to Sabah or Sarawak. Beautiful states (it's Malaysia). Even more beautiful people. 
The thing is, I don't think you guys would be welcomed there. 

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bigots UMNO dictators are not welcome there too. UMNO re4ally make the Muslim looks like not confident of their own faith and need to depend on man made law to defend Hi name as though He is not capable to do so.

Anonymous said...

Datuk. Despite the highest Court of the land holding that Allah cannot be used by the non-Muslim community it is interesting to note that their most learned lawyers, according to statements made, have confined the Court's decision to ONLY the Herald. It appears like they have narrowed the interpretation to mean that everyone else who is non-Muslim apart from the Herald can use the Creator's name.

RD. said...

If the Pope decided to use Allah to refer to Lord/God, today in the Vatican, I've no objection against anyone using it, especially in the Peninsular.

RD. said...

Looks like Our Rear Admiral is on the side of our weak PM.
I'm sure, Independent candidates would be abound, next GE, especially in Malay majority constituent. Unless of-course, if PAS is still with conspiring PR.

Anonymous said...

Latuk,

Yet again, you've fallen into error.

"In Sabah and Sarawak, Christians continue to be free to use "Allah" for God as had been the practice for decades. If the editors at The Herald feel so strongly about the issue, in God's name please move to Sabah or Sarawak. Beautiful states (it's Malaysia). Even more beautiful people. The thing is, I don't think you guys would be welcomed there."

The Herald's 14,000 BM copy circulation is distributed ONLY IN Sabah or Sarawak. And has been for decades. Why? Because that's where BM-literate Christians live. Peninsular Christians would have no interest in reading it, unless they are from Sabah and Sarawak and working here. See? So if the editors of The Herald would not be welcome(d) there, why have the Sabah and Sarawak Christians been reading the paper for so long?

Malaysia is beautiful. The Planet Earth is beautiful.

Ever been to either of them, Latuk?

Anonymous said...

Yg. herannya bagaimana kes yg. berkaitan ISLAM suci kita ini boleh masuk ke mahkamah sivil asalnya?! Dah tiba masanya Mahkamah SYARIAH di perkuatkan secara MUTLAK; di NEGARA ISLAM; pusaka nenek moyang berzaman kita ni!

Sebab itulah KUASA EKSEKUTIF Kesultanan Islam/Melayu bersama Majlis Raja-Raja kita amat PENTING; lihat saja bila kuasa ini diabaikan dgn. sewenangnya yg. jelas melanggar undg-undg Perlembagaan dan Wasiat Raja-Raja Melayu, terutamanya di P.Pinang dan Selangor! Sampaikan si PENDATANG PENGGANAS/EKSTREMIS ANTI-ISLAM dari puak DAPBANGKAI BABI/PKRSODOM begitu berani berterusan MENGHINA/MEMIJAK Islam/umatnya serta MERAMPAS sewenangnya tanah pusaka nenek moyang berzaman kita seolah kita adalah KULI di bumi sendiri, kpd. bangsa PENDATANG yg. tak tahu kenang budi ni!

Nek Tempoyak.

charleskiwi said...

The verdict of the appeal is a forgone conclusion and the Catholic Church should know it. But they still went ahead with the appeal just that the world get to see what Malaysia is. Why is Indonesia the world's largest muslim nation does not have rules to forbid Christians from calling God as Allah ?
Why is Malaysia feeling so insecure about their believe ?
Why are there so many thousands of muslim fighters from different parts of the world are using Malaysia as a transit point to goto Syria to fight ? Yet only just a handful is being detained or arrested ? The arrested ones are only scapegoats to show that Malaysia is taking some actions to impede the flow of the jihadists, when the truth is they are behind supporting the movement !

Anonymous said...

Or they could move to Indonesia or Singapore!

Both countries have no time for this type of grandstanding. They are focused on more important issues.

Unlike Malaysia where everything is viewed through the prisms of race and religion.

In the end, MMalaysia will be the loser. As sure as God made little green apples...

Anonymous said...

Only Melayus, who make up less that 0.1 % of world Muslims object to Christians using the word Allah, as if they have 'Hak Cipta Terpelihara'on the word.
When they object ,they forget that they are committing SHIRIK ,as they now acknowledge that there is more than 1 God. Are they saying that the God of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed are different gods??
Of course not, but try explaining this to the Melayus.

Anonymous said...

If you christian religious bigot think you are free to use Allah in other publication , well then go ahead . You may enlist the support from that bintang communist WCW for all the father , the son and holly ghost care .
The muslim will continue protect themselves.
Get the drift....

We can start all over again .

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:54 am. Actually it refers to the Herald only.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9.54 correctly state court decision. Quite warp logic. You use Allah in any other Christian print media in Malaysia except the herald.

Anonymous said...

Those who follow the Hanbali sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah wouldn't have problems with Christians calling their Trinity Godhead ALLAH. Why?

Because ibn Taymiyyah preached that those who say that ALLAH is the God on High but still worship Jesus(or the Elephant God or any other deity) are Muslims by virtue of TAUHID RUBUBIYYAH.

Which is why traditional Malay Pondok Akidah al-Asha'irah has been corrupted by the wahhabi adherents of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab of Saudi Arabia infamy - he deferred heavily to ibn Taymiyyah in his misunderstanding of Islam.

Why are so many subversive elements transiting Malaysia en route to ISIS? Ask the ibn Taymiyyah Islamists Nik Aziz and Hadi Awang lah!

Juanna Omar said...

I do find it odd that Christian Herald is so desperate to use the kalimah Allah in their publication for the majority English-speaking Christians in Semenanjung Malaysia. Whereas Christians around the globe (except those in the middle-east countries, Indonesia &, Sabah & Sarawak,Malaysia) are reluctant to use the kalimah Allah due to the definition – the difficulty to separate the term from its meaning as defined by Islamic teaching. Allah swt is One & the only God in Islam. For Christians, God is Three-in-One (the Trinity concept). Many Christians are convinced Muslims’ God, that’s Allah swt, is fake, referred as Moon God & believed to be the fallen angel, Lucifer, the anti-Christ! When you think of it, both Christians & Muslims could be confused with the Allah definition in the Bible & Al Quran. On the other hand, something’s cooking!

Anonymous said...

Latuk,

You are clearly suggesting the Federal Court has political considerations. Shame on you ! We know what is happening to this country - the heady incest between the executive and the judiciary.

Godfather

Anonymous said...

The Christian agenda is to "contextualize the message" to increase the flock. When targeting the Muslims - one method is to subsume the words, expressions and ways of the Muslims in order to make them belief that "we are one and the same" (If Muslims object they will then say that Muslims are so insecure, vulnerable, not confident and are afraid that they can be easily confused). That is how our Allah swt who neither begets not is begotten has "become" their God as well.

Anonymous said...

@ 11:46 am:

"The Christian agenda is to "contextualize the message" to increase the flock. When targeting the Muslims - one method is to subsume the words, expressions and ways of the Muslims in order to make them belief that "we are one and the same" (If Muslims object they will then say that Muslims are so insecure, vulnerable, not confident and are afraid that they can be easily confused). That is how our Allah swt who neither begets not is begotten has "become" their God as well."

So fell into the trap, or are you too smart and you are doing this for the benefit of dullards?

Noble, very noble.

Tapi dullard2 tak erti "contextualize", you see the problem tak?




Anonymous said...

@Juanna Omar,

please see the comments of Anon 12:28pm for a better understanding of the situation.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:13 pm

But Christianity predated Islam! By about 700 years, give or take.

So, didn't Christians get it right about God the first time around?

And didn't Islam "reinterpret" Christianity?

Why is anyone's guess. Was it the wish of God/The Almighty?

The Jewish prophets in the Old Testament, John the Baptist and Christ's disciples (starting with Peter, Andrew, James and John) - did they all get it wrong?

That's a mighty big claim.

The said...

/// Blogger RD. said...
Looks like Our Rear Admiral is on the side of our weak PM. ///

More correctly, our Rear Admiral is on the Rear of our weak PM.

The Rear of the Rear Admiral is the Vice of the Vice Admiral.

Anonymous said...

Kawan lu manyak pandai ley...so tly jawap ini see lu no stupid or not...

1+1+1=........

Ah Tiew

Anonymous said...

Ya lor ini jln belakang mau bg murtad maa!!

Anonymous said...

9:20am

Lu tatau meh...Jesus cakap dia bukan bawa law balu maa. Dia datang mau tegakkan law saja maa. Bagi Bani Israel wor. Lu Bani Israel meh? Potong?

Anonymous said...

Tak reti la bukan tak erti...adoii mau ajar olang pun salah...an chua???

Lu mana datang punya olang?