Sunday, June 17, 2007

Jeanne and Umno membership

Serani boleh? A recent Muslim convert sent me an sms asking me how was it that the Prime Minister's new wife, who is a Eurasian and not a Malay, could become an Umno member [read story here]. I could't answer the query so I forwarded it to a couple of die-hard Umno bloggers.
Any of you know?

68 comments:

  1. Anonymous7:17 pm

    no big issue bro.

    penyanyi 70-an dj dave aka irwah shah jadi kontraktor jutawan lepas join umno.

    azeez rempit, adik-beradik sheikh fadzir pun bukan 100 percent melayu pun.

    di sabah ada cina yang jadi ahli umno jugak. tak kira lagi yang siam dan orang asli jadi ahli umno.

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  2. Anonymous7:22 pm

    The answer is found in Usman Awang's poem "Melayu",

    Excerpts:

    "Melayu di tanah Semenanjung luas maknanya:
    Jawa itu Melayu, Bugis itu Melayu
    Banjar juga disebut Melayu, Minangkabau memang Melayu,
    Keturunan Acheh adalah Melayu,
    Jakun dan Sakai asli Melayu,
    Arab dan Pakistani, semua Melayu
    Mamak dan Malbari serap ke Melayu
    Malah mua’alaf bertakrif Melayu
    (Setelah disunat anunya itu)"

    I dunno if Rocky remember or not when Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad spoke in Kelab Darul Ehsan, sometime in May, organised by one UMNO branch in Pandan and assisted by Gen-M. One of the man who asked Tun question was a elderly who ARROGANTLY REFUSED to give his name.

    That guy is outright Chinese convert who goes around by the name of Mustapha Ong and he is an UMNO member!

    I dunno how he is a member but today, he is an Exco of UMNO Veteran Club.

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  3. Definition of a Malay;
    1. Professing Islam as his/her religion
    2. Living according to Malay customs
    3. Speaking in Bahasa Melayu (or now Bahasa Malaysia)

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  4. Umno will be richer by diversity of membership and spells hope for Malaysia. Racism will become history.

    We will truly become a nation of one people and ready to take on the world.

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  5. Anonymous7:58 pm

    Umno will be richer by diversity of membership and spells hope for Malaysia. Racism will become history.

    Does that means we all should convert and join umno in order to survive and make obscene amount of money from non-umnos? no more racism? but got umnoism rite? either you're umno or not? sounds like Bush!

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  6. Anonymous8:11 pm

    Inmine,


    I suppose Datin Seri Jeanne is now a Malay because she is

    1. a Muslim
    2. She lives according to malay customs, pakai baju kurung & selendang and
    3. Speaks Bahasa Melayu.

    So she is can be an Umno member.

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  7. Anonymous8:18 pm

    this question occured to me when i saw the paper today.

    The only criteria the first lady fulfills is that she is a Muslim.

    But then, that wud entitle scores of non-malay muslims to become Umno members.

    United Malay National Organisation becomes United Malaysian Nasional Organisation. Sounds about right eh?

    BTW, Non-Malay and non-muslim Bumiputeras can join Umno ah?

    I'm asking on behalf of the many Kadazans, Muruts, Melanaus, Bajaus, Dayaks, Ibans, Penans, Bidayuhs and the Peninsular based Mah Meri, Jakun Semai, Temiar dan lain lain.

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  8. hi&lo

    if that is the intention ... but it is not.

    the rule book is clear on that.

    does that mean umno constitution is exempted for PM.

    Ku Li's wife is also serani, is she a member of UMNO?

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  9. A good example of how confused the Malays are in this country.

    Malay does not mean Islam, Islam does not mean Malay.

    Sadly, only the Malays in Malaysia fail to differentiate between race and religion.

    -The Man Who Sold The World-

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  10. Anonymous9:10 pm

    what a load of rubbish hi&lo...?!?

    first is that racism thing. we can't run away from that one. it just within us. so, we have to sort that one very well, like old Malay proverb:

    'menarik benang dalam tepong, benang tak putus, tepong tak berselerak..'

    and the second is, we already took on the world. well, under Dr Mahathir, we even shook some British by the Raid, some Americans by shooting at their WMD blind-ness, and some Jewish that prompted the Anti-Semitic respon. It just under this new regime, we dive too much.

    I dont know..maybe again, an old Malay proverb can explain.

    'Menyelam sambil meminom air'? whatever.

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  11. Anonymous9:13 pm

    UMNO has no more Malay identity. Paklah has to change UMNO into United Malaysians National Organisation.The BM version should be Pertubuhan Kebangsaan Malaysia Bersatu. This will stop all the bickerings who can or cannot become UM(alaysians)NO members.Long live Malaysia. Warisan Melayu hanya tinggal kenangan.

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  12. Anonymous9:14 pm

    Immine, then how come these mamaks have been crying all these years to be treated as Malays ?

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  13. Anonymous9:14 pm

    UMNO has no more Malay identity. Paklah has to change UMNO into United Malaysians National Organisation.The BM version should be Pertubuhan Kebangsaan Malaysia Bersatu. This will stop all the bickerings who can or cannot become UM(alaysians)NO members.Long live Malaysia. Warisan Melayu hanya tinggal kenangan.

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  14. Anonymous10:03 pm

    Errr..eurasians are naturally part Malay aren't there? Irrespective of their religion. I'm sure the colonialists who came here married local Malays and not Eurasians who obviously were not in existence then. In fact, Eurasians would probably have more legitimacy as Umno members than Indian Muslims, don't you think?

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  15. Anonymous10:09 pm

    when Dato Onn wanted to open the membership of UMNO to non-malay, it was rejected and he left UMNO, now UMNO leaders are shit, double standard!

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  16. anon 9:14;

    Like you said Mamaks want to be treated LIKE Malays but not to BE Malays.

    anon 8:15;

    At least that is what in the Malaysia's constitution.

    My former boss has a chinese muslim mother, and indian muslim father. But he himself is classified as Malay in his IC.

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  17. Malaysia shouldn’t run by race base parties
    Though we live in harmony and prosperity
    In our hearts we have no place to go
    Perhaps some say sail on the boat
    But this is our land our home

    Because the BN government is fair
    We have wools over our eyes
    The rich becomes richer
    The poor has no way to go

    Membership to UMNO
    Brings out the millions
    Less than 8% rule the majority
    Year in year out the leaders make
    The same recording to tell the people
    Only BN can give you rights
    In this multi-racial country

    I say
    Any party can do the rights
    BN or BA or AA

    Let the memberships be multi-racial
    Or let it be 2 party systems
    In this way unity of races
    For the good of the country

    As long as the race base party rules
    There is discord and disharmony in anything we do
    You read it in press statements
    You find it their writings
    Race is the true life
    But without a country
    Then what is race, my friend?

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  18. Copy and Paste:

    Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Haji Mohd Ali Rustam said a person who is a Muslim, converses in Malay and follows the Malay traditions is considered a Malay.

    “It is easy to become a Malay, ” he told a Press conference after Sabah Chief Minister Datuk Seri Musa Aman opened the Dunia Muslim Dunia Islam (DMDI) seminar at Kota Kinabalu Saturday.

    Elaborating on why Musa had said that more than 50 per cent of the State’s nearly three million population are Malays, Mohd Ali, who is also DMDI president, said: “Even if that person is Chinese or Indian or Kadazan√Čif they are Muslim or have converted, converse in Malay and follow the Malay tradition, then they are Malays.”

    “The Kadazans if they are a Muslim, we considered them as Malays, and if they have not embraced Islam, they are Bumiputeras. It is easy to become a Malay.”

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  19. Anonymous11:19 pm

    Easy to become a Malay, says MB

    Kota Kinabalu: Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Haji Mohd Ali Rustam said a person who is a Muslim, converses in Malay and follows the Malay traditions is considered a Malay.

    "It is easy to become a Malay, " he told a Press conference after Sabah Chief Minister Datuk Seri Musa Aman opened the Dunia Muslim Dunia Islam (DMDI) seminar, here, Saturday.

    Elaborating on why Musa had said that more than 50 per cent of the State's nearly three million population are Malays, Mohd Ali, who is also DMDI president, said:

    "Even if that person is Chinese or Indian or Kadazan√Čif they are Muslim or have converted, converse in Malay and follow the Malay tradition, then they are Malays."

    "The Kadazans if they are a Muslim, we considered them as Malays, and if they have not embraced Islam, they are Bumiputeras. It is easy to become a Malay."

    Present were Sabah Deputy Chief Minister Datuk Yahya Hussin, Tourism, Culture and Environment Minister Datuk Masidi Manjun and Sabah State Secretary Datuk KY Mustafa.

    http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=50538

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  20. Anonymous11:49 pm

    So now that Jeanne
    Abdullah is an UMNO member, give her a couple of years as head of BAKTI and we can name a Dewan after her at the UMNO HQ in PWTC. It is only fitting that our PM's two greatest loves have dewans named after them.

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  21. Anonymous11:50 pm

    where's the darn form?
    I wanna join ... drive a fast car like KJ!

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  22. I'm not an UMNO member and won't join for sure in future, regardless, of my financial status.

    Does that mean I'm less malay?

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  23. Anonymous1:09 am

    DIALOGUE PART TWO

    JEAN (PRONOUNCED ZOHN): Baaaaanggg.
    AAB: zzzzzzzz
    JEAN: BANG!!!
    AAB: zz,,brgrfj..howat hang menjerit kat telinga aku!
    JEAN: Jin takleh tiduurrr
    AAB: Buat apa hang risau sangat Jin Shamduddin tak leh tiduq?
    JEAN: Bukan Jin lah!! Aku!
    AAB: Darlink...kan i dah kata...KJ suruh you dan kita kita semua refer to you as Zohn..bukan Jin...
    JEAN: Fucklah...Zohn ke Jin...I tak kisahlah...
    AAB: Mesti kisah...kalau guna sebutan lama..orang PAS orang PKR tu..cakap I kahwin dengan Jin...takleh...dalam Islam Hadhari tak lehhhhh....
    JEAN: K lah...kalau nama I dari Jean jadi Jean...I panggil you apa? Pak Lah?
    AAB: YOu panggil I Pak Lalok pun boleh..I tak kisah. YOu know, budak budak 4th floor tu kata kita kena expedite you masuk Melayu.
    JEAN: I nak Melayu masuk I tapi you asyik tidurr je..dah lama tau Melayu tak masuk I.
    AAB: Bukan tuuu...I tak nak orang kata I kahwin serani...kahwin grago...taklehh...
    JEAN: Jadi I ni memang serani...camne?
    AAB: Takpelah...esok I jadikan you masuk UMNO...sah jadi Melayu.
    JEAN: Ye ke...
    AAB: Iye...
    JEAN: Tapi takkan orang tak kata I patutnya kalau sayang UMNO, I dah masuk 20 tahun dulu waktu I kahwin your outlaw brother...I mean your brother in law...si Osman tu.
    AAB: SI Osman tu siapa....I ni siapa..I kan PM.
    JEAN: Oklahh...darling...
    AAB: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    NEXT DAY. OFFICE PM:

    SECRETARY: DATUK SERI, ITU SAMY ON LINE TWO.
    AAB: Apa dia ndak?
    SECRETARY: Mana I tahu Datuk Seri. You kan tahu I tak faham bahsa bida..cakap Melayu tak betul,,,cakap orangputih pun kelam kabut...
    AAB: Heii keling tu...oklah.I tak it up.
    AAB: Haloo Samy.
    SAMY: Hallloooo boss.
    AAB: What can I do for you?
    SAMY: Ahhhh.....nilah...aku ada sikit itu pertanyaanlah untuk bos...boleh?
    AAB: Bolehhh...siapa nak cakap tak boleh kat you, you kan Samy Vellu.
    SAMY: Heheheh...takra....itu hari..saya ada dengar itu rimau...
    AAB: Rimau? You dengar itu tiger?
    SAMY: Apa lu cakap?
    AAB: You cakap you dengar rimau?
    SAMY: Yala..itu kabar angin punya..
    AAB: Rumor lah...rimau lak.
    SAMY: Yalah..itu rumau...saya ada dengar...you mau bagi itu permission untuk Jon..itu isteri baru bos...Jon..
    AAB: Zohhnnn...Zohnnn..
    SAMY: YA YA....Zeownnn...itu isteri you punya..saya dengar bos mau kasi dia masuk itu UMNO ka?
    AAB: Ya lah..
    SAMY: Mana boleh bos...dia tu bukan Melayu...dia serani...nanti apa orang cakap..lagi baik kasi dia masuk ini MIC....kalau dia masuk MIC..itu MIC wanita akan cerah sikit...banyak bagus.
    AAB: Woi Samy..isteri aku Melayulah bukan kling...buat apa aku bagi dia masuk MIC...dia akan masuk UMNO lah...
    SAMY: Jadi kalu saya kahwin aku punya girlfren Melayu itu...aku pun boleh masuk Melayu masuk UMNO?
    AAB: Memang you masuk Melayu..kan girlfren you Melayu...tapi tak payah lah masuk UMNO..marah KJ nanti...
    SAMY: Alamak ...korek korek..
    AAB: Bukan korek...correct...
    SAMY: Itu yang saya cakapkan...korek!
    AAB: Samy...I have to go..sat lagi KJ datang to tell me what to do today...
    SAMY: OK lah...tapi bos...itu SMART punya hal...I tak payah resign kan?
    AAB: Resign? Relaks Samy...minister Barisan mana pandai resign...takpernah resign..small problem...nanti saya tanya KJ...dia sure ada solution...
    SAMY: thank you bos...may God bless you..may Allah bless you with children and more grandchildren...and many wives...

    END

    CUCUPARIT

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  24. Does that mean that if UMNO becomes United Malaysian National Organisation, that any person no matter what ethnic background can be President of UMNO eventually? Or will there be "glass ceilings"?

    Food for thought.

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  25. Anonymous1:32 am

    She's mother to 2 Malay girls. She is also our first lady. Why not the exception? She can be honorary member, affiliate member, associate member of UMNO, whatever. Why the fuss? Some of you are not even UMNO members.

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  26. One of my friend's father is a Chinese Muslim while his mother is an Indian convert but he's a Malay, because he fulfils all the requirements of the definition of Malay as given by the Constitution.

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  27. Anonymous7:36 am

    anonymous,can you please explain "Warisan Melayu hanya tinggal kenangan."? The way I see it, it's like saying that when Australia gets into the AFC, we should all "G'Day, mate!" each other

    Warisan Melayu akan kekal. Takkan nak suruh semua penulis Melayu suruh buta huruf kot? Zapin, joget, inang jadi 'joget Malaysia' kot?

    -jibam

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  28. Anonymous8:00 am

    with datin seri jean as a member of UMNO, be blessed, at the next UMNO general meeting the delegates will experience some serani dishes in the menu.....Devil curry, Ambila curry, Portugis bake fish etc....come on all seranis lets join UMNO after all some of u guys are enjoying ASB already...... pak please tolong the seranis retain the land where they have been congrating for the past 57-58 years at 167, jalan pudu next to the pudu prison......every happiness to u and datin seri jean.

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  29. Oxford Dictionary definition of race:
    1. each of the major divisions of humankind > having distinct physical characteristics > racial origin of distinction > an ethnic group, a group descended from a common ancestor.
    2. a group of people or things with a common feature.

    Rocky,
    As I see it, the constitutional definition of a Malay does not fall into the above categories.
    So, is Malay a race?

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  30. Anonymous9:11 am

    Why so ignorant?
    For the official definition of "a Malay" read the Federal Constitution and there should be no doubt that Jeanne Abdullah and other Muslim converts in Malaysia qualify if they fulfil the requirements.

    For the status of the jawi peranakan a.k.a. mamak read "Images of the Jawi Peranakan of Penang" Chapter 1 Pages 14-18. Published by Universiti Pendidikan Sultan Idris (UPSI) in 2004, the book is co authored by Halimah Mohd Said & Zainab Abdul Majid

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  31. Anonymous9:21 am

    In Malaysia, if have the right "koneksion" and "lobang", anything is possible.

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  32. http://cuitsikit.blogspot.com/2007/06/apakah-makna-berita-di-bawah-ini.html

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  33. I have said it before and I will say it again: Malays are actually Morons, in the same line as they are like the Hottentots in South Africa, Aboriginal of Australia, Alisan of Taiwan, and Natives of North America!
    BTW Ku Li's wife is a Chinese and not Serani!

    BTW again, Melayu cuma pandai berpantun dan berseloka itu saja, pada mereka yang berotak dan pandai ambil lah negeri ini saya dah tak peduli lagi!

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  34. Anonymous10:35 am

    Dear Galadriel and everyone,

    please.. in Malaysia, PM's wife is not (and will never) be the FIRST LADY since we have DYMM Raja Permaisuri Agong.

    Stop using the so-called-First-Lady title since there are no such thing as that.

    As for Serani can be an UMNO member, hmmmm... it just show how a NO can be hell YEAH once it involved the BIG and IMPORTANT people.

    I rest my case.

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  35. Anonymous11:02 am

    UMNO makes rule deems acceptable to themself only. That makes them a rojak party now. Using religion to rule over the rakyat is once ignorant but with the questioning being asked by forumers, it seems that the current generation have wake up.

    - Thinker's comment

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  36. Anonymous11:06 am

    Excellent question to bring up at this juncture in time Rocky. Sinmple truth of the matter is that this country, for some time now, has been going down the path of a transition from the "racial-isation" of politics to the "religion-isation" of politics, if you will. When you lack opportunities for advancement because of your birth name, race, religion - not a problem, simply convert to Islam and become an UMNO member and all's good. The benefits of course go beyond mere UMNO 'inspired' benefits - especially where one is trying to subvert civil law norms and dictates in relation to parental custody of the children of divorce; conversion to Islam allows the father to unilaterally convert the children and claim custody of them in a Syariah court where the non-Muslim mother does not even have locus standi.
    As has been pointed out by other commenters, it is the Constituition definition of what/who a Malay is that causes this blurring of the clear distinction between race/ethnicity and religion - a blurring mind you, that carries great political mileage.

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  37. it is stated in our federal constitution:

    In our FC, "Malay" means a person who professes the religion of Islam, habitually speaks the Malay language, conforms to Malay custom and—

    (a) was before Merdeka Day born in the Federation or in Singapore or born of parents one of whom was born in the Federation or in Singapore, or is on that day domiciled in the Federation or in Singapore; or

    (b) is the issue of such a person;

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  38. Anonymous11:24 am

    ok guys....after all i ve been on you'll side.....but then this is definitely huge question...i think we malay have to review back our policy on malay & bumi status.....i give you'll an scenario......1) UMNO denied a muallaf(old woman)membership that rise 7 children purely malay blood that very malay.......butumno seems to be very fleksibel depending on the state(indonesian) and person quality+qualification.....put it straight....my mom is chinese whom converted to islam(not malay)...when she 26(now she 60) have been denied umno membership in our living area......but then you can see an umno leader whom is originated from indonesian.....you may ask me....they born here....only their father from there......then my parents born here, and i born here......why my mom is denyable....umno means malay.......and my mom chinese mualaaf that practise this fourth perkara in perlembagaan malaysia.....the indonesian born malaysia...are they practising malay culutural...are they speak malay as they tongue language??????but they are even umno leader in certain are........i also know one person who is born in indonesia but umnow chief(member)....hellloooo.....UMNO shud change to UMINO-united malay-indo national org.........2(bumi status.......my mom again raise 7 chidren......im the youngest 27 years old.....appearently my dad passed away 10 years ago....so my mom take in charge whilst 4 of us havent finis study....you know my mom strugglke for what.....for her malay children......she have been denied from her family for more than 40 years...and she is alone in these 10 years...without my dad.......but then her bumi status is deniable whenever she want to buy house for her 7 malay children...and she have been deny from buy asb......but then sabah chinese is bumiputera status....what's going on with our law.....think of the scenario and please do something so UMNO wont be UMINO and bumi status privellege's is fairly distribute among us.....thanks to allah that ALLAH is most powerful in everything, today my mom still happy but i believe her heart torn apart but this stupid dilemma....please save our UMNO from UMINO....even now UMNO leader of my place..........pure malay...have been protecting an indonesian from my family-we malay family......can umno again clarified their identity.....not t o wooried umno member races...as long as they are islam...malaysian......speak malay......perfrom malay cultural....rather than islam....not malaysian....speak malay only to gain profit and never perform malay cultural......please....

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  39. Galadriel dear, caught you this time. A Malay has been defined by the Constitution. So Jeanne is a Malay. So she can join UMNO (United Malay National Organisation ). It is not a question of race anymore. And so can all Kadazans, Muruts, Melanaus, Bajaus, Dayaks, Ibans, Penans, Bidayuhs and the Peninsular based Mah Meri, Jakun Semai, Temiar dan lain lain provided they all fulfil the required conditions. Pretty logical. Agreed.

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  40. Anonymous11:54 am

    A'kum semua,

    I have no idea what they current admin is doing, may be it is my ignorance or may be things are just getting from bad to worst. Water to S'pore, the bridge, IDR, Pantai, EMC libra, Tony as crony? and the list is extensive and shows no signs of slowing down. Having said that .. Jeanne (regardless how it is pronounced) UMNO membership is the least of my concerns. This next term is going to be scary. A tune for Pak Lah "Anak kecil main api ....."
    Deeply sadden UMNO member.

    Pak Din

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  41. To anon of 8.00a.m.
    Of course devil curry and all other Portuguese dishes can be introduced in OMNO meeting menu lah BUT no "Ambila curry", cos it is pork cruttles in gravy, right ? Maybe now the Portuguese settlement will see some development and don't worry the Eurasian club is safe ...maybe she can even be patron/advisor or trustee of the club now...hehhehehe!!
    Long live our PM and his first lady !

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  42. Anonymous12:49 pm

    All the Mamaks join Umno although they ar from south India and Kerala. Whys: They want contracts an businesses. And they have mansions in India and send money home - to India.

    All the Pakistanis in Labuan are Umno members - filthy rich merchants. Some are state assemblymen and candidates of Umno there.

    DJ Dave - jangan cakap. He is enjoying best of both worlds!! Sany Velu pun boleh where MIC is concerned, Umno pun boleh (where business contracts are concerned).

    And you know - the best part is these non-Melayus behave as though they are more Malays than the orginal and actual Malays.

    So whats the big deal with jeanne being in Umno?

    She has to take over Bakti too.

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  43. Isu ini bukan masalah perkauman, tapi masalah peraturan yang perlu dipatuhi.

    1. Jika orang bukan Melayu memeluk Islam boleh diiktiraf sebagai Melayu, maka ia perlu memberi kebenaran kepada ramai golongan Cina dan india Muslim untuk menyertai UMNO.

    Mengapa hanya Isteri PM sahaja boleh?

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  44. Anonymous3:42 pm

    all of you are sad people,so depress but i envy you people which have the time luxury to do this.

    im working with two jobs.my day job is 9-5 and part time as a bartender,and doin my masters degree at the same time,travelin back n forth 80km daily.

    As long as they pretend to pay me, I pretend I am working....im so happy that im alive in one piece...im in the world of shit...yes...but im alive and im happy.

    give a man a beer
    give a man a tiger


    -cheers-

    mat salleh beradab dilayan mesra,mat salleh biadap jug beer atas kepala.

    to know malaysia is to love malaysia-u dont like it you can always leave-please do so.

    -jalan maarof-

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  45. Anonymous4:13 pm

    Someone above mentioned about 1st Lady of Malaysia...Datin Jeane?

    Hello! Get your facts right, please. The title First Lady does not exist in Malaysia! If any, it should only go the Permaisuri Agung! No disrespect meant for anyone, but please do not blur your thoughts anyone.

    As it is, the PM post has robbed the DYMM Agung from making the Raya, Merdeka speeches! The PM is not the head of Malaysia! Constitutionally speaking, the DYMM Agung is!

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  46. Anonymous4:19 pm

    Guys. Give our First Lady a break... let her be UMNO member lah... what's hu ha about. We have Indians (a.k.a Mamaks) wanting to be UMNO or Malay for that matter. Maybe this time we could have Kari Kepala Biawak served as one dish in Nasi Kandar Penang in Perth or Paris.... why not ma.

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  47. Anonymous5:08 pm

    To CUCUPARIT ....lol.....you are damn good .... keep it up.

    Durian Guy

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  48. Anonymous7:10 pm

    Nothing great about joining UMNO, this party is for people who want an easy meal. I reject their offer of membership because I feel so much stronger to depend on myself and not like so many people who need their tongkat. This party is only for shameless people.

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  49. rocky, in the seventies, there was a party - alliance direct membership organisation ADMO - formed by Tun ismail and many others to accomodate members who are not malay, chinese or indian. I am currently interviewing a lady - who was ADMO chairman for Selangor - sadly that organisation just faded away. Remember, i did ask Dr Ooi, Tun Musa and Dt Shahrir abt ADMO.

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  50. Anonymous7:40 pm

    with due respect to all more learned that i, may be we should even consider changing our country's name....malay....sia...i think most of know what sia sia means...... & then there's me.... layu....to whither away.....i don't know....what do you all think? just a thought.....

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  51. Anonymous10:40 pm

    Can consider to change the country name to Malasyou? or Malassia? or simply Malaslayu? A country make of Malas have to start with Malas and end with Malas.

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  52. Anonymous11:34 pm

    Dear ain,

    isn't the Raja Permaisuri Agong the Queen. That is quite distinct frm the first lady ain'y it?

    Can someone enlighten me on this subject?

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  53. Anonymous12:49 am

    curry ambilla can also be cooked with beef la shanghai stephen no need daging kinzir la....by the way are u chinese ah

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  54. Anonymous1:52 am

    UMNO sees itself as representing the Malays of Malaysia, although any Bumiputra (indigenous Malaysian, a category which includes people such as the non-Malay and usually non-Muslim Kadazan, Iban, Dayak, etc. of East Malaysia) may join the party. *taken of wikipedia*

    Bumiputra status may join UMNO. And Datin Jeanne Abdullah is Portuguese-Eurasian and Portuguese people do have bumiputra status so do people with Thai blood.

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  55. I have a friend who is a Pakistani and she had a choice whether to become Malay or remain a Pakistani....She chose to be a Pakistani....and then she realized what a mistake that was coz of all the privelages she could have gotten. To cut a long story short, her son is now a Malay.

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  56. Galadriel!

    To keep things simple, it is good to bear in mind, that there is a Head of State and there is a Head of Goverment. Sometimes, like in the US the same person is both, but in many countries the two positions are occupied by differant people.

    The First Lady is the wife of the Head of State.In some countries, the Head of State is called 'President" while in others its it is the King( Thailand) or Queen( UK) who holds that office.In those countries that dont have royalty, the wife of the Head of State is called the first Lady while for those that have a monarchy, she is usually refered to as the queen.But status and protocol wise they are each others equivelant .So if in a country that has a king for a Head of state, and a PM as the Head of Goverment, then the equivelant position of First lady is the queen.

    If the Head of State is a woman,like in the Philippines than the husband is refered to as the First Consort( if m not mistaken)

    The Prime Minister is the Head of Goverment. Regardless of the actual powers that he weilds, he is never the Head of State.In Singapore the PM is almost all powerful, nonetheless its President is still the Head of State and the wife, the First Lady.If m not mistaken, in Brunei, the Sultan is both Head of state and head of goverment.

    Hopefully this helps.But u better double check because for all u know, issues of protocol is dynamic and not static.

    BTW the same should apply to State goverments- the governor is head of state while the CM is head of goverment.

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  57. Anonymous8:35 am

    don't worry all, above & on top of everything else, let's take heart that, there is always the Higher Power who handles everything, He HAS NEVER FAILED, EVERYDAY, THE SUN COMES UP since time in memoriam.....LET GO.....& LET GOD.....

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  58. Rocky!

    According to the Federal Constitution, Malays are defined as those who pick their noses in public, who never wash their hands after using the toilet, hocking in a public sink, squatting on a toilet seat, speaking incessantly in front of food at any food stall, who like to give away things like their land to others, who never use dental floss, who throw food on the table where they eat especially restaurants, who does not know the meaning of the word love, who like to watch AF and other moronic television programme that involves Aznil the chief Moron, who like to dye their hairs from black or dark brown to blonde streak, and who is oblvious to the competitive world! Actually there are many more I just cannot do it anymore as I get depressed because I belong to that race although we did asked Minangkabau to be excluded from being the defrinition of the Malay race nad I guess we are stuck!
    So there you are that is what being Malays is all about!

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  59. Anonymous10:01 am

    Why stop at Datin Seri Jeanne dear friends. I say let us now open UMNO to all Malaysians, which is what Datuk Onn Jaafar(God Bless His Soul) wanted us to do half a century ago. Datuk Onn was a man ahead of his time and he knows communal politics will not take Malaysia far against the challenges of the future. Now the PM can really make us leap into the future by turning UMNO into a United Malaysian National Organisation.

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  60. Bro

    Boleh tanya sikit, APA ITU UMNO [ASAL USULNYA], MELAYU, JAWA, MINANG DLL DAN MALAYSIA.

    Ada sesiapa yang boleh tolong berikan penjelasan. Sebab saya ini tak berapa faham.

    SUDAH LAMA DI PERANTAUAN BARU BALIK KE MALAYSIA.

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  61. Anonymous11:52 am

    Thank you Mat Rempit Hubris,Carthage.

    Yes, to all my fellow Malaysian.. our first lady is DYMM Seri Paduka Baginda Raja Permaisuri Agong.

    "Malaysia is a federal constitutional elective monarchy (Raja Berpelembagaan) The federal head of state of Malaysia is the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, commonly referred to as the King of Malaysia- Wikipedia"

    That's why we can see all the envelopes that been used for any 'urusan rasmi' will have a printed "URUSAN SERI PADUKA BAGINDA" in bold!

    The main stream media must be corrected. They are the one who started the idea of giving the first-lady title to PM's wife.

    I'm just wondering, why didn't anybody from the goverment; who should know better about this 'mistake' to raise their voice and make a correction?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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  62. Anonymous2:42 pm

    Persetubuhan Nasional Melayu Bersatu is the right place for spouses. So what's the fuss about?

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  63. Anonymous11:56 pm

    I'm an UMNO member, I'm not even Malay!

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  64. Anonymous2:07 am

    I'm Malay and I'm MIC and MCA and DAP and PAS supporter because I care for everyone...

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  65. Anonymous2:07 am

    I'm Malay and I'm MIC and MCA and DAP and PAS supporter because I care for everyone...

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  66. Anonymous7:22 am

    Malaysians of Siamese descent prevalent in Perlis, Kedah, Northern Perak and Kelantan have been accepted as members of UMNO a long time ago.So are the Indian Muslims in Penang.(May I relate one hilarious incidence that took place in the early 80's. I was at the Amanah Saham Nasional office in Butterworth to register myself as a unitholder of the ASN scheme. Came a group of Indian Muslims with forms already filled up. The officer at the counter pleasantly informed the leader that the ASN scheme was only for Bumiputras. The leader disagreed, "Awatnya kami tak buleh melaboq dalam ASN? Awat, kami 'ni bukan Bumiputra ka? Tau tak, saya apa 'ni semua ahli UMNO tau?" The officer was taken aback and asked for time to consult his superior in KL. Then came the most interesting part. When the leader walked back to the group, they began their loud chatter. Guess what language they used? Tamil! I nearly burst out laughing but fortunately I could control myself). The constitution of UMNO is such that pribumis of Sabah can become UMNO members, although certain groups within the pribumis are not Malays, constitutionally speaking. The Portuguese community in Malacca can invest in the ASN/ASB schemes. I found out later the Penang Indian Muslims can invest in ASN/ASB. So going the other way round, the Eurasians or Seranis are eligible to be UMNO members. Since Jeane is a Serani, definitely she can become an UMNO member.

    Anyway, what is the big deal? Dato Onn, the first UMNO president, was half Turkish. One of the former PMs has ancestral lineage that goes back to India. One former DPM and a former minister has Chinese mothers (half Chinese). Another former minister was complete Indian (meaning father and mother are Indians) and he is an UMNO member.

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  67. Anonymous2:43 pm

    What's the big deal? Dato' Onn, the 1st president of UMNO was half Turkish. One of the previous PMs has his ancestoral lineage from India. One former DPM and another UMNO minister are half Chinese. A former minister from UMNO is a full blooded Indian, ie father and mother Indian. In Penang, the Indian Muslims are accepted as UMNO members, so are the Siamese in Perlis, Kedah, Northern Perak and Kelantan. Members of the Portuguese community from Malacca are also accepted as UMNO members. Since Jeane is a Serani, meaning half Malay, half European, definitely she is eligible to become an UMNO member.

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