tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post5708446758459789610..comments2024-03-17T15:10:12.273+08:00Comments on rocky's bru: Close down NS camps, conduct complete reviewRockybruhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08187242806213153913noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-9514484408807275882013-09-29T19:26:47.037+08:002013-09-29T19:26:47.037+08:00Dey ah jib, if u really serious abt cutting down d...Dey ah jib, if u really serious abt cutting down deficit n consolidate fiscal, stop the NS program now. It will save us tonnes of monies. Also close down all SJK C n T, let the kids mix in SK. No brainer Jib, no need to hire McKhinzey.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-21904881806567606842013-09-27T13:08:24.182+08:002013-09-27T13:08:24.182+08:00Sensible reply. I like this. PLKN is here to stay....Sensible reply. I like this. PLKN is here to stay. I guess if this young men & women were to be placed in army camps, lots more gonna die as current kids are really soft inside out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-73724353023416041772013-09-27T11:19:56.545+08:002013-09-27T11:19:56.545+08:00Rumour has it that from the beginning Rosmah has b...Rumour has it that from the beginning Rosmah has been making a bundle from this NS, & the Government strong defense of NS seems to prove it, if that is so you can forget about any revamp. It is not their children. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-16986131968309788092013-09-26T20:23:26.872+08:002013-09-26T20:23:26.872+08:00So rocky writes 3 blog postings in 6 years and the...So rocky writes 3 blog postings in 6 years and then sucks balls every other day and claims he's against ns? Just how fucking stupid have Malaysians become? Rocky is dumno is ns. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-12184629116026497332013-09-26T18:44:32.857+08:002013-09-26T18:44:32.857+08:00Bru,are you out of your mind asking to close down ...Bru,are you out of your mind asking to close down NS?? you tau siapa VVIP sapu semua bekalan kepada NS camps !? baik jangan main dengan api bro.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-35122687622052173392013-09-26T15:44:34.765+08:002013-09-26T15:44:34.765+08:00Anon 11.13 wrote:
If want to keep the NS, boleh. O...Anon 11.13 wrote:<br />If want to keep the NS, boleh. On a few conditions :<br /><br />1) Reveal who were awarded the contracts to supply the necessary goods and services to operate these camps nationwide.<br /><br />2) Reveal the full accounts on prices and money spent of goods and services<br /><br />3) Every camp should have a medical officer on standby throughout the 3 months. No more rushing trainees to clinics for any problems.<br /><br />----------xxxxx-------------<br /><br />Agree on all three. <br /><br />Point No 3, if we use exisiting miliary camps to house our NS trainees, the question of medical facilities does not arise as these camps have excellent hospitals and clinics.<br />Rockybruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08187242806213153913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-40833811096812877042013-09-26T15:36:46.020+08:002013-09-26T15:36:46.020+08:00Anon 1.24 pm,
I shouldn't humour people like ...Anon 1.24 pm,<br /><br />I shouldn't humour people like you but I realise that not all my readers would take the trouble to do a bit of homework. Some like you are just so lazy, waiting to be spoon fed.<br /><br />You ask where I've been on the NS issue all this while?<br /><br />Try this posting I did here on Bru. <br /><br />http://www.rockybru.com.my/2007/09/dpm-defends-national-service-program.html<br /><br />Excerpts:<br /><br />"Najib, STOP the NS program now. As I see it, Sir, you have no choice but to take it back to the drawing board, make massive changes, and start anew."<br /><br />Six years ago, lazy Anon, I was saying the same thing: STOP the program and go back to the drawing board.<br /><br />Another posting:<br /><br />http://www.rockybru.com.my/2008/05/another-18-year-old-dies-at-ns-camp.html<br /><br />This was one of my shortest postings. The entire piece reads:<br /><br />"Please, can we just stop this so-called National Service programme, now? <br />Read The Star's NS trainee dies after upset stomach, here.<br />Semanggol NS camp under quarantine here."<br /><br />I have also written articles in newspapers on the matter. My stand is easy, consistent: We need the National Service. The program is an opportunity to bring discipline, patriotism, civic lessons, etc to our young Malaysians.<br /><br />I disagree with those who say at 17, it's too late to bring the kids together as one. Preferably, we should start earlier BUT we know that this won't be possible. Why? You guys want your Chinese schools, your Tamil schools, and your sekolah pondok. Everybody wants to preserve his own roots and heritage but are too ashamed to admit it. The NS is the perfect opportunity to start the 17 amd 18-year olds on a new start.<br /><br />Rockybruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08187242806213153913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-31313031605047895522013-09-26T14:59:49.834+08:002013-09-26T14:59:49.834+08:00Simple, isn't it? Just say "What if it ha...Simple, isn't it? Just say "What if it happened to your kid?", and you're done. Argument won. Why bother being rational when being emotional is so much easier?<br /><br />The fact remains: you are more likely to see you child alive in 3 months time if you sent him to National Service than if he had stayed at home and went about his normal life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-16337740429546387592013-09-26T13:24:28.727+08:002013-09-26T13:24:28.727+08:00Rocky,
I believe you are making the noise because...Rocky,<br /><br />I believe you are making the noise because your daughter are in NS. if NOT, you will NEVER raise such questions.<br /><br />Why don't you directly question the MOD Zahid Hamidi?<br /><br />I don't agree the way MOD run the NS. But, at the same time I don't agree with you too. Because, AS I said you won't make noise if your daughter not in NS.<br /><br />Where were you when all before this dead's of kids? Drinking milk in bed's? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-84427315058300963032013-09-26T12:33:09.792+08:002013-09-26T12:33:09.792+08:00Look, Bru has a point. As a parent, I agree with h...Look, Bru has a point. As a parent, I agree with him. To those of you who keeps on harping about statistic, hey if your kids die because of 'kecuaian' or some motherduckers jokers running these NS camps, then too bad la. After all you agree your kids life is not that important. IT IS JUST A NUMBER. kan? betul tak. Jadi kalau anak kau tu mati, janganlah sedih sangat. Sebab dia tu part of statistic je. NO BIG DEAL. Banyak lagi orang mati. <br /><br />NS Camp in Malaysia is a joke. Somebody is making shit loads of money with this. Sebab tu tak nak abolish. YEar in year out dengar cerita sama. No action taken. Nothing!<br /><br />Melor. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-81272204583382612612013-09-26T12:13:06.008+08:002013-09-26T12:13:06.008+08:00I fully agree. Close it down. It was supposed to i...I fully agree. Close it down. It was supposed to instill patriotism and love of the country to the participants. It was also supposed to let all races mingle at that age to understand each other better. Imagine being in a camp, with classes/activities from 6 am to 10 pm...too tired to even remember your bunkbed mate's name...<br />And furthermore, the recent election shows that, the kids of NS have made up their mind too. NOT the government apparently, the product of the first of NS were among those casting their votes...so...all the best...if you wish to still think that this is the best way to instill love to the country...waste of money and time. bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-70410359319334911352013-09-26T10:38:41.931+08:002013-09-26T10:38:41.931+08:00People die. Put a large number of people together ...People die. Put a large number of people together for any significant amount of time, some of them will die. The mortality rate for adolescents in Malaysia is about 0.4 per 1000. That means out of every 100,000 Malaysian adolescents, you would expect about 40 of them to die in a year. The main causes of adolescent deaths in general - accidents, violence, respiratory and communicable diseases. The same things those kids in the PLKN camps died of. Since 2004, probably more than a million trainees have gone through 3 months at PLKN. If you take the average Malaysian adolescent mortality rate, then you'd expect to get more than 100 deaths in the PLKN camps since then. So statistically, it's much safer to be in a PLKN camp than outside of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-56454714207210315392013-09-26T09:52:21.173+08:002013-09-26T09:52:21.173+08:00You know what, it is a teenage thing actually. The...You know what, it is a teenage thing actually. They are young, naive, and stupid. We were the same when we were at that age. Especially while in groups where everyone trying to outdo everyone. The sentiment to 'tunjuk kuat' will be high especially when it involves a bunch of young men. At that kind of age, they have this kind of ravage hormone of adolescence which is out of control which exposed them to risk seeking behaviour. I agree the the warden should have on the look out for this kind of thing. especially at National Service training. They are still kids and need adult supervision. It doesn't help either when there are young women as well over there. So, there will be competition among them to attract attention. Everyone trying to prove their 'macho'ness. We can't really blame them. <br />I still can't fathom the the moduls we have have at the NS. They are too girly. Too wimpy. NS should be revamped. Just make it military style the way Singapore or South Korea does. Wataniah module is a good one to start with as it encompasses all the basics of military training. And it is not as tough as the real one. <br />Just make it compulsory to school leavers. There should be include all boys. No girls. Give them monthly allowance. In those three months, pack up their schedule right from dusk till dawn. Instill discipline in them. Those include physical training, military tactics, weaponry training, guns,explosives, how to handle M16 and Kalashnikov rifle. Boot camp all over. <br />When it is all over, at least they have all the basics needed should the country needed extras at the front line. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-23801765209737416582013-09-26T09:33:25.593+08:002013-09-26T09:33:25.593+08:00For once I'll agree with you Rocky.The lives o...For once I'll agree with you Rocky.The lives of our kids are at stake and the powers that be are so disconnected that they any response is mere rhetoric. <br /><br />I guess lining one's pockets is far more important that matters that border on conscience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-39862139647936911092013-09-26T08:58:21.737+08:002013-09-26T08:58:21.737+08:00My first and second was called up, it's unjust...My first and second was called up, it's unjust, both my boys are called up and for many none pf their kids were calld up.<br />Whats the criteria..??<br />I called up NS to ask and the usual stupid reply will be "its computer generated", i told them why cant you guys do a match on the parents ic no, if it matches with a previous trainee's just pick another, then it shall be fair.<br />Visit a camp and see the three main race having their own group, so much for "perpaduan".<br />The trainers are not that educated either.<br />Worst of all, i had to speak to NS KL to get my son out for an interview for university.<br />The fools at the camp are idiots. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-89749932219439764992013-09-26T08:52:40.434+08:002013-09-26T08:52:40.434+08:00Have there been a review to assess the success of ...Have there been a review to assess the success of NS scheme? Personally, to instill civic mindedness, schools are the best environment and should be done from form 1 onwards, not just 3 mths stint like it is now. The impact is not longlasting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-59450929575062974152013-09-26T07:53:56.650+08:002013-09-26T07:53:56.650+08:00.. national unity at 17? A bit too late don't ..... national unity at 17? A bit too late don't you think? By that time all the prejudice are almost set in concrete. The camp experience will just reaffirm their prejudice. Three months are too short to undo years of systemic brainwashing by the society.<br /><br />I think we should scrap the present day NS. We should start a new one. This time round we should follow Singapore and South Korea national service. 2 years and will only involve the boys. No random selection. All boys should participate.<br /><br />Shouldn't get any objection from the kiasu in Malaysia since they love to quote Singapore and South Korea whenever they want to compare Malaysia unfavourably. That is 30% of the battle won already. <br /><br />Government just need to convince the other 70% to accept. No problem with the other 50% I think since this group is very patriotic. <br /><br />The remaining 20% will be problematic - this group comprise of "anak manja" yang tak pernah hidup susah. Funny thing is from this group will be our future leaders. Now you know why we are in our sorry state - leaders who are out of touch with the rest of the masses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-63342374509720939582013-09-26T06:44:43.869+08:002013-09-26T06:44:43.869+08:00That is life, no matter what precautionary actions...That is life, no matter what precautionary actions you take if it is going to happen it will happen. I agree with the cleanliness of the camps but fistfights amongst the them is something nobody can control. It is human nature to lose control of the mind when you are upset. In this instance, the cut Q is the issue and it drags on. Too bad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-87020078638339910792013-09-26T03:30:14.039+08:002013-09-26T03:30:14.039+08:00Beside 23 death cases in last 10 years, there were...Beside 23 death cases in last 10 years, there were numerous cases of beatings, bullying, rapes and illness. Somebody should be responsible for this. These trainees came from various background, brainy and mediocre to dummies, unfortunate poor to super rich,not to exclude the bullies and tormentors. <br /><br />Its 3 months of hell for a few retired sarjans and corporals around the camps.Its time for a complete review. Worried fathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-26860417960681203972013-09-26T02:33:50.318+08:002013-09-26T02:33:50.318+08:00How many jemaah haji died every year? 2? Ridiculou...How many jemaah haji died every year? 2? Ridiculously higher<br /><br />How many remaja died by motorcycle accident every year 2? 3000!<br /><br />So bro, if you are so paranoid of death your daughter can abstained. She can do community service..haha what a wimp.<br /><br />Dont lah be so a pampering father...2 death out of hundred thousand? That is below the mortality rate.<br /><br />What about death in Singapore NS?<br /><br />What about death of school children per year..<br /><br />Daddy dont be a spoilt sport I want to go.<br />Where else can you meet boys by the thousands hehe..<br /><br />PLKN beat Facebook anytime when it comes to mate searching..maPLKN beat Facebooknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-41635781155037718922013-09-26T00:57:54.000+08:002013-09-26T00:57:54.000+08:00First of all, I have never seen/heard anyone takin...First of all, I have never seen/heard anyone taking responsible for mishaps/accident/dealth that had happend so far.<br />2) No compensation has been made to the family of the victims.<br />3) No one, I meant no one - the operator/ministry/minister has been brought to court of the death of our youth.<br />4) no minister in-charge has ever came out to speak for those accidents/death. At least they shld just resign to show their sincerity of such tragedy.<br />4)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-22962492371520696692013-09-25T23:13:54.674+08:002013-09-25T23:13:54.674+08:00If want to keep the NS, boleh. On a few conditions...If want to keep the NS, boleh. On a few conditions :<br /><br />1) Reveal who were awarded the contracts to supply the necessary goods and services to operate these camps nationwide.<br /><br />2) Reveal the full accounts on prices and money spent of goods and services<br /><br />3) Every camp should have a medical officer on standby throughout the 3 months. No more rushing trainees to clinics for any problems.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-22381699866194512652013-09-25T22:48:06.311+08:002013-09-25T22:48:06.311+08:00what's going to happen next? man, my kids will...what's going to happen next? man, my kids will have to do this someday and i don't want them to end up as statistics. <br /><br />farhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-34534634236013012342013-09-25T21:42:05.568+08:002013-09-25T21:42:05.568+08:00The aim of promoting harmony amongst the races at ...The aim of promoting harmony amongst the races at the age of 17 is too late. Since Std 1,the children are taught the differences between the races and the religions, particularly the superiority of one. Then we expect them to live in harmony in special camps. Then the Education Ministry releases the SPM exam results and one race gets preferential treatment to enter universities and matriculation. Such hypocracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28452020.post-74885536106356947652013-09-25T20:58:55.127+08:002013-09-25T20:58:55.127+08:00In a democracy the government set the pain level f...In a democracy the government set the pain level for those who voted them in..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com